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    Perspectives on mental health & deviance / reconciling science with spirituality


    #2
    Re: Perspectives on mental health & deviance / reconciling science with spirituality

    I know someone who ended up in a public mental health hospital here in australia and she said it was a pretty terrible experience. She saw some people get dumped in there who the police pick up for being off their face but they don't have any overnight cells available for.
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      #3
      Re: Perspectives on mental health & deviance / reconciling science with spirituality

      I think monetizing any field destroys any hope of providing an actual useful service. From churches to prisons, hospitals to politics, as soon as the concept of "money" is involved, any hopes of an altruistic solution go out the window.

      If you want to help mentally ill people, be their friend. It sucks when the systems that we all pay for don't work the way they're supposed to...but that's why the US Constitution was written. We've got nobody to blame but ourselves (and our forebears) for fucking it up.

      I'm open to suggestions, but Communism and Socialism only work on paper. Anarchy is also awesome until other people get involved.

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        #4
        Re: Perspectives on mental health & deviance / reconciling science with spirituality

        Compassion and common sense would be a good start. Unfortunately they rarely seem to go together. :/
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          #5
          Originally posted by Roknrol View Post
          I think monetizing any field destroys any hope of providing an actual useful service. From churches to prisons, hospitals to politics, as soon as the concept of "money" is involved, any hopes of an altruistic solution go out the window.
          Agree totally. This came up on tv just last night actually, in regards to altruistic surrogacy. Its difficult to find a truly compassionate service when theres money involved.
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            #6
            Re: Perspectives on mental health & deviance / reconciling science with spirituality

            Originally posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
            Compassion and common sense would be a good start. Unfortunately they rarely seem to go together. :/
            The problem with "common sense" is that everyone seems to know what it is, but nobody can describe it, explain it, and (obviously) prove it. Myself included.

            The problem with compassion is that there are 7 billion people on this planet and it's impossible for us to understand them all. We can only understand what we are exposed to, and the fear of new things prevents many of us from being exposed to more.

            Honestly, I would be completely satisfied with "treat others how you want to be treated" followed by "treat others how they've treated you". I bit of a combination of my perspective and Medusa's

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            Originally posted by Heka View Post
            Agree totally. This came up on tv just last night actually, in regards to altruistic surrogacy. Its difficult to find a truly compassionate service when theres money involved.
            And this is complicated by the fact that many problems require some sort of education to solve, and that costs money as well. It becomes less of a "good deed" and more of a "money sink".

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              #7
              Originally posted by Roknrol View Post
              And this is complicated by the fact that many problems require some sort of education to solve, and that costs money as well. It becomes less of a "good deed" and more of a "money sink".
              Ah education. If people were getting enough of the right kind of education we'd see so much less of these issues. And not all of it has to cost a lot of money (I'm thinking public education, delivered by properly trained teachers, but don't get me started on that down here...)

              There is also the argument of risk in the case of surrogacy, prengancy can be dangerous. Sometimes you can't just get away with paying medical fees for your child.
              ThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic

              RIP

              I have never been across the way
              Seen the desert and the birds
              You cut your hair short
              Like a shush to an insult
              The world had been yelling
              Since the day you were born
              Revolting with anger
              While it smiled like it was cute
              That everything was shit.

              - J. Wylder

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                #8
                Re: Perspectives on mental health & deviance / reconciling science with spirituality

                Ah if only the mental health help system wasn't so fucked up. I went through it once, a year ago. I still have awful flashbacks. Being kept up all night so that by morning I actually did seem crazy. After not being allowed to leave the ER (that I had walked into under orders of a campus counselor). And then one of the people there telling me I shouldn't try to have control over my life. And being forced to take medication I didn't want.
                Not only that but there were people there who were picked up for being homeless.
                More people need to be aware of what mental health issues are out there. Not just with the system but the people being put through it. I am not crazy. My sads are just sadder than most peoples. Geez. While some people may need medication, I do not.
                I think I have found some solace in the spiritual path I have found though. It makes me happy and keeps me down to earth. I have never been so in control of my life and my emotions.

                (I hope this was on-topic. OP used a lot of big words.)

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                  #9
                  Re: Perspectives on mental health & deviance / reconciling science with spirituality

                  Originally posted by Heka View Post

                  There is also the argument of risk in the case of surrogacy, prengancy can be dangerous.
                  to your mental health as well...

                  Just look at post-partum and ante-partum depression.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by thalassa View Post

                    to your mental health as well...

                    Just look at post-partum and ante-partum depression.
                    Exactly. so the argument for altruistic surrogacy can be made very complicated by, well, complications such as this.

                    But I think I'm derailing the thread. Sorry dudes.
                    ThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic

                    RIP

                    I have never been across the way
                    Seen the desert and the birds
                    You cut your hair short
                    Like a shush to an insult
                    The world had been yelling
                    Since the day you were born
                    Revolting with anger
                    While it smiled like it was cute
                    That everything was shit.

                    - J. Wylder

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                      #11
                      Re: Perspectives on mental health & deviance / reconciling science with spirituality

                      Originally posted by AutumnFox View Post
                      OP used a lot of big words.)
                      Lesson learned. It won't happen again

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                        #12
                        Re: Perspectives on mental health & deviance / reconciling science with spirituality

                        Originally posted by midgnostic View Post
                        Lesson learned. It won't happen again
                        It's just that I am not good with big words despite being a senior in college. You did nothing wrong!

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