Humanism

[habbalah]

Re: Humanism

Engage in any lifestyle you like SO LONG AS NOBODY GETS HURT ' thru the making of Man as his own ultimate authority. As Secular Humanism has become the forefront of American society , it has resulted in an escalation of moral depravity so its clear it hasn't work and isn't working .

This is at least the second time you've made a claim of humans being depraved, lacking morality, or giving in to hedonism. I asked for a citation before and didn't receive it. I see no problem with allowing others to live and let live so long as they're not harming anyone. Is it really affecting your life if I'm in the BDSM scene? Or that the gender of my partner makes no difference to me? The more accepting attitude about sex and sexuality makes this world a far more tolerable place for those of us not considered the "norm".

Your argument against sexual relativism makes no sense. It's "as long as no one gets hurt". If my theoretical spouse and I had a closed, vanilla relationship and they suddenly decided they wanted to be poly, that would hurt me because it wasn't what we agreed to. If I suddenly wanted to bring bdsm into the bedroom and they had no interest in it, that would hurt them because it wasn't what they agreed to. In sexual relativism, you seem to be leaving out the fact that consent needs to be present for no one to be harmed.

Total humanism the world over just isn't a logical goal. We all can't be Mother Teresa. I donate money where I can to help causes for groups that are suffering. Does that mean that I think I'm saving the world? Of course not. But the ten dollars I give to each charity a month is still ten more dollars that they didn't have. I do what's in my power to help, which unfortunately due to my health is only monetary at this point, and that's a lot more important and powerful than just throwing up my hands and saying that we're doomed.

[B. de Corbin]

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Methinks there are conflicting views about morality tangling hereabouts.

[Medusa]

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Sits with Duce,and share the cookies and chocolate milk just to pass the time.

I really need those right about now too.


I'm going to start a bingo.
We get a cookie every time I see the words:
civil
morals
ethics
and some form of women dun the world wrong.

BINGO!!!!!

[anunitu]

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Quit tossing those bingo chips in my face,you will put out my eye...

[iris]

Re: Humanism

I really need those right about now too.

I'm going to start a bingo.
We get a cookie every time I see the words:
civil
morals
ethics
and some form of women dun the world wrong.

BINGO!!!!!

Can I join? I have tea and biscuits.

[anunitu]

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Are those snikerdoodles????

[iris]

Re: Humanism

Are those snikerdoodles????

We don't have those. But I have tuc and chokolate biscuits.

[Seeking a Religion]

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This is at least the second time you've made a claim of humans being depraved, lacking morality, or giving in to hedonism. I asked for a citation before and didn't receive it. I see no problem with allowing others to live and let live so long as they're not harming anyone. Is it really affecting your life if I'm in the BDSM scene? Or that the gender of my partner makes no difference to me? The more accepting attitude about sex and sexuality makes this world a far more tolerable place for those of us not considered the "norm".

Your argument against sexual relativism makes no sense. It's "as long as no one gets hurt". If my theoretical spouse and I had a closed, vanilla relationship and they suddenly decided they wanted to be poly, that would hurt me because it wasn't what we agreed to. If I suddenly wanted to bring bdsm into the bedroom and they had no interest in it, that would hurt them because it wasn't what they agreed to. In sexual relativism, you seem to be leaving out the fact that consent needs to be present for no one to be harmed.

Total humanism the world over just isn't a logical goal. We all can't be Mother Teresa. I donate money where I can to help causes for groups that are suffering. Does that mean that I think I'm saving the world? Of course not. But the ten dollars I give to each charity a month is still ten more dollars that they didn't have. I do what's in my power to help, which unfortunately due to my health is only monetary at this point, and that's a lot more important and powerful than just throwing up my hands and saying that we're doomed.

I could easily give you citations as to the destructive lifestyle choices that pervade the U.S. presently, but, Id like to ask you to list 2 or 3 societal ills that show the 'just so long as nobody gets hurt' Humanist mantra bogus . Theres a few, but can you think of just 2 ?


Moral degradation of any society always started with one , two or a small group of people starting it then it graduating to higher numbers till finally it reaches epidemic proportions. Lifestyles especially.


Consent of two people engaging in something doesn't automatically therefore make it right. A cursory look at the consequences to the action should tell you if its a good thing or not. But even before it reaches that point, our Moral Conscience should kick in to tell us, that is, if we don't choose to suppress it so we can get what ever we want. Theres lots of examples in our society where two people have consented, yet the aftermath has been harmful and even led to premature death. So, THAT caveat of Humanism fails also.


Im all for easing the burdens of people whether it be thru financial giving, giving of my time and resources, etc....but just over the last 5 decades it is measurable as to how much moral decline, incivility, anarchy has taken place as a result of Man wanting to be his own authority while snubbing God and his loving protective absolute moral laws (which by the way Humanists expect to be treated accordingly by others, yet demand the right to label them relative when it comes to how they choose to live) .

[Medusa]

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Are you a very old person? Just curious.

[anunitu]

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An over abundance of control also might be considered dangerous and a breaking of social stability. "Man wanting to be his own authority while snubbing God and his loving protective absolute moral laws" what does this statement actually mean to you SAR? do you mean to imply that you MUST assume a one and only deity MUST exist in order for mankind(Humanity) to have a chance to survive?

Does this mean you distrust humanity of being able to survive on its own?

[Seeking a Religion]

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Are you a very old person? Just curious.

No. Just someone who doesn't turn a blind eye to the moral havoc in America and who is counter culture by status. Besides, I can still do 200 lb. on the Tricep machine at the Fitness Center 32 times at one go. So, im not ready for the Depends quite yet but I do know where Walmart stocks them.

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[QUOTE=anunitu;170867]An over abundance of control also might be considered dangerous and a breaking of social stability. "Man wanting to be his own authority while snubbing God and his loving protective absolute moral laws" what does this statement actually mean to you SAR? do you mean to imply that you MUST assume a one and only deity MUST exist in order for mankind(Humanity) to have a chance to survive?

Does this mean you distrust humanity of being able to survive on its own?[/QUOTE]


I certainly do ! Do you mean that you cant see whats occurring with Man playing his own diety and pretending the Creator doesn't exist ?

[anunitu]

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No. Just someone who doesn't turn a blind eye to the moral havoc in America and who is counter culture by status. Besides, I can still do 200 lb. on the Tricep machine at the Fitness Center 32 times at one go.

And so being able to bench a lot makes for better moral ability? please explain "counter culture"...And a question for you...how many times have you faced down death,and walked away...just wondering. I have almost died several times in my lifetime over the years...So I wonder where you derive your absolute wisdom.

Not saying almost dieing gives you wisdom,but it does give one some perspective.

[habbalah]

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I could easily give you citations as to the destructive lifestyle choices that pervade the U.S. presently, but, Id like to ask you to list 2 or 3 societal ills that show the 'just so long as nobody gets hurt' Humanist mantra bogus . Theres a few, but can you think of just 2 ?

As you're so interested in science, I'd like to remind you that that's not how science works. You made the positive claim (that is, that there's a failure of our morality in society), so you have the burden of proof to prove it.

Can I think of "social ills"? No. I can think of unfortunate consequences, such as STDs and hate crimes, but every action you do has a possible unfortunate consequence, morality notwithstanding.

Im all for easing the burdens of people whether it be thru financial giving, giving of my time and resources, etc....but just over the last 5 decades it is measurable as to how much moral decline, incivility, anarchy has taken place as a result of Man wanting to be his own authority while snubbing God and his loving protective absolute moral laws (which by the way Humanists expect to be treated accordingly by others, yet demand the right to label them relative when it comes to how they choose to live) .

Half of the time, you are claiming that society is declining, that we're decadent and that the wimmenz and the queers are making everything fall apart.

The other half, you are asking for scientific proof of religion and an objective viewpoint.

So now I have to ask you: where does your stance on morality and how the world should work come from? There's no such thing as an objective moral standpoint, as it varies from city to state to culture to religion to country and so on. If you were raised with these viewpoints, that's fine, but they're still entirely colored by your opinion and not the objective science facts that you're asking for. You claim that it's a lack of God (which god, you don't specify), but challenge us to prove our own beliefs fact. What you believe is no more valid than what I do just because you believe it.

Which is it? Do you have a subjective standpoint that can't be proved by science, or do you have something to prove your viewpoint fact?

[anunitu]

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I see humans killing each other,and that at times due to religious differences. people can survive with no gods to guide them,they also at times make their own visions of a spiritual path that does not follow the main belief and still the belief they envision works for them even so.

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Also the question comes to mind, how is it you have the absolute answer to all the worlds problems when it is doubtful you yourself have ever confronted evil in its many forms. Not just in your imaginings and daydreams.

[thalassa]

Re: Humanism

I could easily give you citations as to the destructive lifestyle choices that pervade the U.S. presently, but, Id like to ask you to list 2 or 3 societal ills that show the 'just so long as nobody gets hurt' Humanist mantra bogus . Theres a few, but can you think of just 2 ?


Moral degradation of any society always started with one , two or a small group of people starting it then it graduating to higher numbers till finally it reaches epidemic proportions. Lifestyles especially.

Please, tell me what these are. I want you to inform me of what these "societal ills" pervading the US are, that are a result of "destructive life cycles" that have never before appeared in human history or culture. Please, open all of our eyes as to this epidemic of immorality that are leading to "moral degradation".

Just one.

Just name ONE horrible thing that has no precedent in human culture until the last 50 years that can be entirely blamed on this post-modernist secular humansim mumbo jumbo you keep prattling on about. Because you are the only person here whose view of history allows them to beleive such revisionism.




[QUOTE=anunitu;170867]

Does this mean you distrust humanity of being able to survive on its own?[/QUOTE]

I certainly do ! Do you mean that you cant see whats occurring with Man playing his own diety and pretending the Creator doesn't exist ?

Of course you do.

On the other hand, no, I don't. I can't see a single thing that a belief in deity or lack of it has done to curse or cure humanity of any pervasive social ill. The idea that (enter your highly repetitive spam here) somehow this "post-modern secular humanism blah blah blah" is responsible for everything from porn to STD's is laughable at best, but enough to make me want to cry when the person spewing it claims to want something that is historical and scientifically verifiable.

I mean this will all earnestness: Start with learning some history and science.

And in the mean time, the person that can't stand up and do good without god is to the same person that uses their belief in god to do their own will when its convenient...and that's one major character flaw.