Curses and the Like

[Medusa]

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I'm going to ask this rather politely as this is not my area of expertise per say. Isn't this all a bit...passive aggressive?
In my particular line of bitchcraft I have a rule. My A gets to your B in a direct line. Nothing comes between it. If I can't do that personally, I am probably weaker then the other. People tend to have a fear of a face to face interaction then a curse. That's just my take on it.


As for the side discussion of doing such a curse and being left unscathed? I kind of agree. Unless you are just a douchnozzle bastard who has no feelings. It's hard to muster up the feelings to curse someone figuratively or literally without it affecting you. I prefer to be happy and on an even keel. Because when someone pisses me off and I have to handle them...I do so. And then I'm angry as all hell for having to have to go to that level. It's much easier not to. I'm probably a lazy bitchcrafter. And yes, Anton LaVey used that term. It works quite well in the real world.

[MaskedOne]

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I'm going to ask this rather politely as this is not my area of expertise per say. Isn't this all a bit...passive aggressive?
In my particular line of bitchcraft I have a rule. My A gets to your B in a direct line. Nothing comes between it. If I can't do that personally, I am probably weaker then the other.

Should the day come where I feel such craft is warranted then the goal is to neatly, efficiently and with the least risk to myself bring something to a crashing halt. Under such a scenario, I consider Pride to be that fun voice in the back of my head that is actively conspiring to kill my dumb a** for being a moron so it can dance a jig on my grave. I am perfectly okay with being considered weaker under such conditions as long as I win. If I don't consider such craft acceptable (read normal life) then Pride is an acceptable luxury.

[Medusa]

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Should the day come where I feel such craft is warranted then the goal is to neatly, efficiently and with the least risk to myself bring something to a crashing halt. Under such a scenario, I consider Pride to be that fun voice in the back of my head that is actively conspiring to kill my dumb a** for being a moron so it can dance a jig on my grave. I am perfectly okay with being considered weaker under such conditions as long as I win. If I don't consider such craft acceptable (read normal life) then Pride is an acceptable luxury.

What kind of people are causing someone to curse you? I mean there are a few answers to this.
1. A really nice person. And somehow out of the Marvel universe your nemesis has come for you. For what reason? I dunno. Maybe you cut off Spawn at a red light. Or road raged a middle finger at Omega. Some people are nice and others hate them for that niceness. I guess.

2. You are an asshole. And you deserve it.


Seriously? I've been a batshit gal in my younger days. I'm not known to keep my mouth shut. I'm mouthy. I'm opinionated. But I don't think I've come across a person who decided to curse me or my family or my pets or my home. So I'm wondering just who exactly are you trying to ward off? What kind of outrageous acts are going on in this world that people are wizard fighting each other? Where can I watch this go down?

In all seriousness. I mean I don't see fistacuffs unless it's on tv. It's not like I look out my window and there's some head buried in the yard because my neighbor pissed off the trash man.

[Aeran]

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I live a fairly quiet life and I treat this type of trick with the caution that I treat a firearm. Nothing has met my requirements to step past protections and in one case banishing someone from my life. I can think of one case where I could have made an argument for something worse but I didn't feel comfortable taking such a step at the time so I set a protection on a friend and let things progress as they would.

Can you give me a hypothetical situation then?

[MaskedOne]

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Can you give me a hypothetical situation then?

The closest I've ever come was to defend a wheelchair bound friend dealing with a physically abusive partner when the friend lived further away then I had any practical method of physically intervening. At the end of the day I opted to ward the friend because

1) It's generally more flexible
2) Less potentially messy side effects
3) I have more practice with wards

The aggressor eventually decided to upgrade from kicking someone in a wheelchair to kicking an annoyed cop which had predictable results and answered the short term needs. The most likely way to get me to seriously consider directly offensive workings is a severe physical threat that for some reason, I don't trust my defenses to stop. The problem is that by virtue of a quiet lifestyle, I haven't met one yet and while threats to friends outside my easy reach could motivate such a thing they also tend to push me more toward defenses becauses I will have less information readily available so I'll go for the option with the least risky side effects.

[Rae'ya]

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Seriously? I've been a batshit gal in my younger days. I'm not known to keep my mouth shut. I'm mouthy. I'm opinionated. But I don't think I've come across a person who decided to curse me or my family or my pets or my home. So I'm wondering just who exactly are you trying to ward off? What kind of outrageous acts are going on in this world that people are wizard fighting each other? Where can I watch this go down?

I was cursed by a shamanist who used to be my friend. I ended the friendship because I was sick of her (copious and multifaceted) bullshittery and the way that she treated the people around her (and her lies and narcissism and martyr complex). I didn't want her in my life anymore, so I ended the friendship and went on my merry way. She decided that I had cursed her (which I hadn't) and so cursed me in retaliation (for an imaginary slight), then made a passive aggressive 'look at how good I am I cursed someone' post on a forum we were both active on. It wasn't a very good curse, and it was easy to diffuse, but it was there.

So that's the sort of person who curses you. Mentally unstable neo-pagans whose pride got hurt when you stopped liking them. Who then justify their actions by convincing themselves that you started it, even though you haven't spoken to them for six months.

(And no, I didn't retaliate with my own curse. I sent it back along it's ties, cut the ties and amped up my defense. And that is why it's not a good idea to curse a magickal practitioner without tying it off somehow or ensuring it can't come back at you. I think this is the reason so many people think that cursing can affect you in harmful ways... because they just aren't that good at doing it.)

[thalassa]

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As for the side discussion of doing such a curse and being left unscathed? I kind of agree. Unless you are just a douchnozzle bastard who has no feelings. It's hard to muster up the feelings to curse someone figuratively or literally without it affecting you. I prefer to be happy and on an even keel. Because when someone pisses me off and I have to handle them...I do so. And then I'm angry as all hell for having to have to go to that level. It's much easier not to. I'm probably a lazy bitchcrafter. And yes, Anton LaVey used that term. It works quite well in the real world.

I have cursed someone(s) on a very small handful of occasions. This includes: 1) the guy that raped me when I was 15; 2) the asshole that I worked for that liked to sexually harass the new girls but was high enough up is would never stick, and 3) the self-entitled stuck up bitch neighbor that we had a couple years ago who harassed chickadee to the pont of making her cry, called sharkbait retarded whenever she saw him, and left roadkill at my front door, but her husband is a cop...and yeah, other neighbors had problems with her too

Cursing is (IMO) a possible path to justice when one is otherwise stymied in achieving justice through ordinary means....or at least the satisfaction of therapeutic confrontation. It gives you a safe place to channel justified anger. (IMO) If a curse is just (whether or not it "works") it will leave you unscathed (unscathed does not mean unchanged---everything we see, do, or feel affects us) because it is healthy and rightous. If a curse is petty and frivolous and a habit the person engages in out of petuance...well, at some point that will catch up to them (whether its a curse rebounding or just the effect of hving a shitty personality to begin with is in the eye of the beholder).

[Night Wizard]

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I agree that Maleficium is not something that should be undertaken lightly.

Do you refer to the The Malleus Maleficarum? That basically just struck a synapse and reminded me of this book..

I haven't read everything here, but yeah, do you refer to that book? Or did I just fly right overhead here?

[Medusa]

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Jesus Cristo. You Pagans hang out with shady people. You should hang out with us Satanists. We just play Manson, eat flaming hot cheetohs then pass out in a puddle of chocolate. :=):

[Torey]

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Do you refer to the The Malleus Maleficarum? That basically just struck a synapse and reminded me of this book..

I haven't read everything here, but yeah, do you refer to that book? Or did I just fly right overhead here?

No, I wasn't mentioning the term in reference to the Malleus Maleficarum. "Maleficium" is the term that I use to describe baneful magick in general.

[thalassa]

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Jesus Cristo. You Pagans hang out with shady people. You should hang out with us Satanists. We just play Manson, eat flaming hot cheetohs then pass out in a puddle of chocolate. :=):

Pretty sure the aforementioned three people I cursed were all Christian of one flavor or another...

[anunitu]

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"Jesus Cristo. You Pagans hang out with shady people. You should hang out with us Satanists. We just play Manson, eat flaming hot cheetohs then pass out in a puddle of chocolate. "

Me likes they way you thinks...jumps into the chocolate puddle...pass the cheetos.....

[Hawkfeathers]

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"Jesus Cristo. You Pagans hang out with shady people. You should hang out with us Satanists. We just play Manson, eat flaming hot cheetohs then pass out in a puddle of chocolate. "

Me likes they way you thinks...jumps into the chocolate puddle...pass the cheetos.....

I read this post first in the thread, and I said to myself, that sounds like Medusa, and read back throughout, and sho'nuff! LOL

[Night Wizard]

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No, I wasn't mentioning the term in reference to the Malleus Maleficarum. "Maleficium" is the term that I use to describe baneful magick in general.

Oh, cool, I like that.

[iris]

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Jesus Cristo. You Pagans hang out with shady people. You should hang out with us Satanists. We just play Manson, eat flaming hot cheetohs then pass out in a puddle of chocolate. :=):

Sounds like a pretty good time to me. I used to play Manson whenever I had trouble sleeping, very relaxing actually

As for curses... I don't approve of hurting people in any way, but a defence can be necessary I guess. I can imagine situations in which I would probably not be unwilling to cast a curse. However, as I believe has already been said, it's not something to do lightly or in anger. A level head and an awful lot of concentration is necessary, I think.