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    Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

    Because I find the repetitive nature of history interesting...

    Today's topic, The Bonus Army:

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    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    Thank you Thal,I really like this..
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    Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

    *The probable history of the Free State of Jones (and soon to be a movie)

    *The deplorable history of exhibiting humans in zoos

    *The largest maritime disaster in US history is something you've probably never heard of...1800 Union survivors of Confederate prison camps headed home died in a tragic boating accident aboard the SS Sultana (more died here than on the Titanic) (and soon to be a documentary, awesomely funded by Kickstarter):



    *The global pandemic caused by the Spanish Flu:






    And as a bonus: An entire blog of forgotten history
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    The Radium Girls: Today workers are entitled to know what chemicals they are working with and what their health hazards are...and you can thank these women for their contribution to that struggle.

    the short of it--

    (this video sounds like a high school project, but its spot on, info-wise)

    the long version--

    (1987 documentary)
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

    Before there was Rosa Parks, there was 15 year old Claudette Colvin...
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

    The First Modern Genocide:

    I suppose I should add a trigger warning to this? Its explicit and about genocide and the horrible things people do to one another. So, its real. And it probably worse than anything you can imagine, so get over yourself and deal with it.*

    Before there was Hitler's Germany, there was the ethnic and religious cleansing of Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks from Ottoman Turkey.

    This year marks the 100th anniversary, so you may have heard of it in the news. Or maybe (in the only socially conscious and interesting thing they have ever done) because of the Kardashians. Or maybe you are just historically knowledgeable. Many people forget though that it wasn't just the Armenians that Turkey eradicated.

    When I was a sophomore in high school, my high school history teacher brought in a survivor of the Armenian genocide. She was in her 80's when she came to speak to us, and was 5 or 6 when her father was beaten and made to watch his sons get nailed to the rafters and killed by being split open from neck to genitals with bayonets, his oldest daughters raped and beaten, his pregnant wife raped and then cut open so the soldiers could see who won the "bet" of the baby's gender, and they youngest shot because there wasn't enough fun there to be had. Somehow she survived being shot in the head and was left for dead. Someone that had come for the bodies found her (so a Turkish family could have their rather nice house and land) took pity on her and made her hide in the bottom of the cart of her family's corpses, to smuggle them out. She was smuggled out of the country...so she lucked out**, other children that weren't killed were enslaved as laborers for families or in illegal brothels.

    The complicated history of Armenia and Turkey:





    *Sorry, not sorry, Thalassa thinks real life doesn't have a trigger warning. Pretty sure teachers here couldn't even have someone like this tell their story in a classroom anymore. Sad.

    **sarcasm
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    I read where the Pope mentioned this,and the Turks got VERY upset...Sorry Turks,you did it,so you don't get to act all upset when someone brings it up.
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    Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    I read where the Pope mentioned this,and the Turks got VERY upset...Sorry Turks,you did it,so you don't get to act all upset when someone brings it up.
    Not that anything excuses genocide, but (in a way that isn't quite so defensible for the Nazi's), their was bad blood on both sides for decades before these events (in actuality, for centuries)--news clippings from the late 1800's are quite interesting (my modern history class a couple years ago discussed "the problem of the late Ottoman Empire" extensively as part of the overall "colonialism can be blamed for most modern ills" theme my very excellent professor was both a fan and a detractor of*)


    *the problem of course being that colonialism didn't cause many tensions or problems that didn't already exist between different ethnic groups, they just short of smothered them for a while (until the fire could burn freely once Western powers left), or interfered in a way that allowed a less powerful group to gain power or a more powerful group gain more power (depending on what Western interests were). Colonialism in these areas of conflict mostly just built on the existing conflict.
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

    You know ethnic tensions or not,this kind of open killing shows a throwback to human barbarism,like the roman conquests,or the Huns sacking a city and raping and killing even children.
    In my mind there is NO excuse that can be used as a defense for this kind of brutality to other humans,and I wonder sometimes we call some things "Humanitarian",when the word human could provoke an image of these actions.
    When a human does the right thing,we call them a hero,but if doing the right thing is heroic,then I think we are all pretty much doomed in the long run because we seem to be running short on Heroes..Remembering history about these things,how far have we come to become civilized enough for them never again to happen.
    MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

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    Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

    Well, it's not like the Turks ever had thousands of their people killed off as well. Pre modern genocides include the masses of non converting Germanic pagans, as well as the Turkish people by the Christian state.
    For example, some 4000 Heathens, men, women, and children, slaughtered by a conquering Christian army, just because they didn't believe in Jesus Christ. That same army displaced a mass number of 80,000 Turks, into wilderness and mountains, where they either got captured by the army, or starved to death.
    "In the shade now tall forms are advancing,
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    They beckon, they whisper, 'Oh! strong armed in valor,
    The pale guests await thee - mead foams in Valhalla.'"
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