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    Re: Environmental Pollution, the thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Briton View Post
    "is it possible for the western world to have industry and still meet its targets?"
    Absolutely.

    BUT.

    It requires changes in infrastructure--physical, organizational, and ideological, of both the corporate environment and society itself.

    For starters:

    1. The bottom line has to be sustainability before stock prices
    2. Companies have to invest in changing their efficiency standards and their energy sources
    3. Companies have to be held fiscally responsible for their own actions and the prior actions of companies they buy out
    4. Consumers have to invest time and energy into verifying business practices (or create platforms that can do this for them)
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    Re: Environmental Pollution, the thread...

    All in a song from the way back(think 70's)


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    And that lead me to this,one of my all time favorites.


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    Re: Environmental Pollution, the thread...

    ^^^ I have both those 45's. LOL

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    Re: Environmental Pollution, the thread...

    When we were all so naive about the planet in peril....
    I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up.
    Mark Twain

    Somewhat like Hunter S. Thompson who was called a gonzo Journalist,I consider myself to be something of a gonzo Pagan.

    The wizard be in: But be warned if you poke him to much,the standard wand of anal probing +10 may be utilized.

    It is interesting that humans seem to believe that they are the crown of creation,until nature drops a house on them....Just saying....

    I have decided that I no longer want to be an adult... If anyone needs me, I'll be in my blanket fort, coloring.

    Trust lost,is trust never regained.

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    Re: Environmental Pollution, the thread...

    Definition: Investor - somebody who puts money into a company, expecting to get more money back. This includes not just rich people, but people who are retired, and living off their pension, 401k, etc., or who intend to at some future date.

    1. The bottom line has to be sustainability before stock prices - this means that investors have to be in for the long haul, not the quick profit.


    2. Companies have to invest in changing their efficiency standards and their energy sources
    - this means that investors have to be willing to settle for less money than they could be making.


    3. Companies have to be held fiscally responsible for their own actions and the prior actions of companies they buy out - again, this means that investors will have to be satisfied with less money.


    4. Consumers* have to invest time and energy into verifying business practices (or create platforms that can do this for them) - which means that everybody will have to be willing to get by on less.





    *Consumer - another word for "everybody." We need to stop thinking of these things as problems forced on us by the wealthy, and face up to the fact that we have created the monster that consumes us. We have met the enemy, and it is us.
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    Re: Environmental Pollution, the thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    Absolutely.

    BUT.

    It requires changes in infrastructure--physical, organizational, and ideological, of both the corporate environment and society itself.

    For starters:

    1. The bottom line has to be sustainability before stock prices
    2. Companies have to invest in changing their efficiency standards and their energy sources
    3. Companies have to be held fiscally responsible for their own actions and the prior actions of companies they buy out
    4. Consumers have to invest time and energy into verifying business practices (or create platforms that can do this for them)
    Agreed, this was what I was getting at.

    And I can't see it happening. Certainly not outside of the odd maverick business.
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    Re: Environmental Pollution, the thread...

    Where I live, we are still coming to terms with horrific scarring of the landscape while trying to prevent yet more pollution. We have for example, an extremely toxic waste dump not far away, which the Council place on top of one of the very few stone circles in the UK. So not only did it allow toxic waste to be dumped there, but it lost forever a place of great historical and archaeological importance. And then there are the local allotments, placed on the mountainside just below the largest cemetery in the valley. Can you imagine what is getting into the soil - and probably the produce - there? Hence my reluctance to accept vegetables grown there. Course the veg I'm eating might be just as contaminated from another source... it would be really lovely if these companies and individuals, who made a fortune from wrecking the land, we forced, at their own expense to put it right.
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    Re: Environmental Pollution, the thread...

    That reminds me of "Love canal" here in the US.

    Story here.

    From Site.
    Quite simply, Love Canal is one of the most appalling environmental tragedies in American history.

    Site is for the EPA..

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    Found,and it echos something I said..

    See Here.

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    "Key to Surviving Extinction May Be: Live Fast, Die Young"
    I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up.
    Mark Twain

    Somewhat like Hunter S. Thompson who was called a gonzo Journalist,I consider myself to be something of a gonzo Pagan.

    The wizard be in: But be warned if you poke him to much,the standard wand of anal probing +10 may be utilized.

    It is interesting that humans seem to believe that they are the crown of creation,until nature drops a house on them....Just saying....

    I have decided that I no longer want to be an adult... If anyone needs me, I'll be in my blanket fort, coloring.

    Trust lost,is trust never regained.

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    Re: Environmental Pollution, the thread...

    There are many elements in our environment.Air,water,soil,etc are such elements.They are essential for the environment as well as human being.

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