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    This is very interesting: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/...ilt/ar-AAbqLTv

    What do you think? Do you think that he should go to jail after all these years? He's in his nineties and is one of the last Nazis left. I'm glad he came forward, but I don't know what the end should be for him.
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    Re: Auschwitz guard admits guilt

    Truthfully no. The article says he was basically charged once and then dropped for lack of evidence.

    I think the one position presented in the article that by being at the place he is as guilty of what occurred as those who did it is bs. To me no more responsible for what occurs within than the guard at the insane asylum is responsible for what the doctors do to their patients. That or the guards at the many Prisoner of War camps, allied or axis, and the things that occurred at them either. If you can prove a certain guard did something then charge and try them in court. If you can't do not convict them simply because they were present. To do that means a lot of people would be charged as more than a few governments were made aware of what was transpiring in the death camps but didn't believe it or elected not to acknowledge it.

    Though what really gets me though is the constant "Jewish" connection to the death camps. A lot more than just Jews were killed whole sale in those camps but you don't hear about them. We tend not to hear about the horrors and sub-human outlook that was pushed upon Slavic prisoners of war, the least of them not being recognized as prisoners of war. The purification of German citizens who had an ancestry that contained any less than desirable blood lines not just Jewish ones again. The murder of German citizens in mental hospitals and wards who were done away with long before the death camps really were set up.

    Not making light of the Jewish deaths or what they as a people experienced. Yet I simply do not buy the guilt by association or ones presence in the area. Being on the platform receiving the human cargo is not being the one pushing and whipping them into the death houses. It's not being the one who dropped the canisters or opened the valves to release the gas. It's not being the one who authorized it or tried to make it acceptable to the sensibilities of those who stood guard.
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      Re: Auschwitz guard admits guilt

      You know, in a weird way, nothing that anyone could do to the man now would be much worse than what he has probably done to himself over the years. Imagine living with that kind of guilt/shame/memory. The fact he was only caught for speaking out against Holocaust deniers shows the level of awareness he has.
      He probably feels better in a weird way for admitting his guilt.
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        And at 93,what can they really do to him,sentence him to death,I mean 93 years old...life in prison...that is kinda a joke in itself....Fine him money he will never have,ever.....As you said Tylluan,he has lived with this his whole life....
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          Re: Auschwitz guard admits guilt

          Originally posted by monsno_leedra View Post
          Truthfully no. The article says he was basically charged once and then dropped for lack of evidence.

          I think the one position presented in the article that by being at the place he is as guilty of what occurred as those who did it is bs. To me no more responsible for what occurs within than the guard at the insane asylum is responsible for what the doctors do to their patients. That or the guards at the many Prisoner of War camps, allied or axis, and the things that occurred at them either. If you can prove a certain guard did something then charge and try them in court. If you can't do not convict them simply because they were present. To do that means a lot of people would be charged as more than a few governments were made aware of what was transpiring in the death camps but didn't believe it or elected not to acknowledge it.

          Though what really gets me though is the constant "Jewish" connection to the death camps. A lot more than just Jews were killed whole sale in those camps but you don't hear about them. We tend not to hear about the horrors and sub-human outlook that was pushed upon Slavic prisoners of war, the least of them not being recognized as prisoners of war. The purification of German citizens who had an ancestry that contained any less than desirable blood lines not just Jewish ones again. The murder of German citizens in mental hospitals and wards who were done away with long before the death camps really were set up.

          Not making light of the Jewish deaths or what they as a people experienced. Yet I simply do not buy the guilt by association or ones presence in the area. Being on the platform receiving the human cargo is not being the one pushing and whipping them into the death houses. It's not being the one who dropped the canisters or opened the valves to release the gas. It's not being the one who authorized it or tried to make it acceptable to the sensibilities of those who stood guard.
          Monsno, I agree. There were more than Jews that were killed at the death camps. For example, Russian POWs. I don't think that this man can be punished accordingly with the law. If he receives 3-15 years, will he survive? He is 93 years old! It's good that he came out finally, and he will live with what he did for the rest of his life.
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            Re: Auschwitz guard admits guilt

            I saw a photo of this guy in uniform,and the first thing I noticed was a deaths head on his hat,and SS lightning bolts on his collar. Seems he was with the SS,so I am doubtful of his complete innocence in the camps...

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              I'm told I had relatives die over there for protecting/hiding Jewish neighbors, etc. I really wish people could just coexist and all.
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                So If I lie and don't get caught I can get away with....murder?
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                  Re: Auschwitz guard admits guilt

                  Just until you turn 93...then you have to pay the piper...Its a rule...and we do NOT break the RULES!!!!!!
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                    In all seriousness. I think punishing a man who is 93 by jail time does nothing for the man. I mean he's lived with it. But hell. That dude that had those chicks in his basement lived with that for a long time as well. Means zero.
                    But for the victims and the victims' families? It means that Justice does not go away. It means something to them. I realize he wasn't pushing the victims into the gas chambers. And you get to make that decision for yourself at the time. People say but he could have died if he had gone against the Nazi regime. Lots of Germans risked their lives against the Nazi regime to save human beings. Imagine if EVERY German had done that? Would we even have this? Imagine if every HUMAN had done that? Stood up against what you know is wrong.

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                      There was a suggestion in a story about the camps that the people in the nearby village were also responsible because they KNEW what was going on,but ignored it.

                      Had to add this....people who were in the underground in Germany were tried and convicted of treason and died...to this day their relatives are trying to get the traitor label off their relatives records. That is so sad and stupid...
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                        Re: Auschwitz guard admits guilt

                        I agree with you guys. He is in the wrong because he participated nonetheless of his occupation. There are so much that people deny about the Holocaust today, which is so sad and that some haven't got their justice and never will.

                        Here's another link: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...ess/ar-AAbqgga

                        He's asking for forgiveness. It would be hard for me to forgive him if I was in the position of the Auschitz families.
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                          Morally, I haven't decided my position on whether the guy should be punished yet.

                          Legally, if you have to change the laws twice to get at a man then you're doing it wrong. Nuremberg (and several related trials) have been argued to be Ex Post Facto which I normally despise but something had to be done regarding a number of individuals so I'm willing to overlook it. This guy couldn't be prosecuted under the standards put in place after WW2 but Germany wants to prosecute him so they take a modification of the law made after they're forced to initially drop charges and intend to use that. I don't want this man punished enough to start encouraging Ex Post Facto. Retroactive law is for the most part, bad law.
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                            Re: Auschwitz guard admits guilt

                            Originally posted by MaskedOne View Post
                            Morally, I haven't decided my position on whether the guy should be punished yet.

                            Legally, if you have to change the laws twice to get at a man then you're doing it wrong. Nuremberg (and several related trials) have been argued to be Ex Post Facto which I normally despise but something had to be done regarding a number of individuals so I'm willing to overlook it. This guy couldn't be prosecuted under the standards put in place after WW2 but Germany wants to prosecute him so they take a modification of the law made after they're forced to initially drop charges and intend to use that. I don't want this man punished enough to start encouraging Ex Post Facto. Retroactive law is for the most part, bad law.
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                              When we look at how history is written,we note that it tends to favor the victor of any long conflict. I do wonder how we would be thinking if Germany had won that war. Would there perhaps be American or English generals that were seen as war criminals. Just a thought game...we WON,so just be a true believer in the idea,truth always wins out,no matter what.(Even when it clearly does not)
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