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    #16
    Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

    Hermes, although being associated with thieves, played a more defensive role in that sort of interaction. Merchants prayed to Him for protection from thieves not vice versa. Not only that but His main sphere of influence, and arguably His most important, has nothing to do with trickery or thieves. Hermes is a psychopomp. He escorts the shades of the dead to Hades for judgement.

    From the Hellenic pantheon, Dionysus would be the best and most obvious fit. Dozens of His epithets actually translate in to various words dealing with freedom and the expression of it. He's kind of like that wise cracking friend that always has a more simple, obvious opinion about any situation. Dionysus really cuts through all the fluff and pomp to show things for what they really are. Sometimes it can be scary, but after the shock of being exposed to a new view of reality dissipates freedom is left.

    Another Hellenic deity you might want to look into is Diana. She had a sanctuary in Italy that could only be headed by a runaway slave who was given the title Rex Nemorensis (King of Nemi). Her temples were also one of the few places where slaves and criminals could seek asylum. In addition, many of Her myths concern Her protecting the oppressed or pursued. Like Dionysus, Diana has a rustic, primal aspect to Her as the goddess of wild places.

    I think you'll appreciate this last one more, although I don't know many details. I seem to recall something about Freyr being associated with liberation and criminals. I want to say it was some story in the Eddas where a man murdered someone and was given asylum in a sacred grove. Also if I remember correctly, Freyr has a connection to the things and courts of Germanic tribes. He protects the accused while they're on trial.

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      #17
      Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

      Originally posted by Claude View Post
      .. Another Hellenic deity you might want to look into is Diana. She had a sanctuary in Italy that could only be headed by a runaway slave who was given the title Rex Nemorensis (King of Nemi). Her temples were also one of the few places where slaves and criminals could seek asylum. In addition, many of Her myths concern Her protecting the oppressed or pursued. Like Dionysus, Diana has a rustic, primal aspect to Her as the goddess of wild places. ..
      The original Arician Diana had little to nothing to do with the Hellenic Artemis or Hekate nor anything to do with the Rex Nemorensis. She is very much a man's goddess at that point and deals with boundaries, treaties and hidden meetings. It's not until Diana Nemorensis (lake Nemi) becomes conflated with both Artemis and Hekate and associated with the story / journey of Orestes do you see a Hellenized triple aspect Diana appear. The arrival of the Rex Nemorensis as an escaped slave is also tied to Orestes and his story of slaying his mother I think it is and being seen as a fleeing slave. Yet later the Rex is ejected from Nemi and is supposed to have been returned to Orthia near Sparta though I can not find an exact date this was supposed to have occurred. Diana Nemorensis is also heavily tied to Temple of Diana on the Aventine and perhaps to African influences and certainly to a few Emperor's.

      The book Roman Religion and the Cult of Diana at Aricia is a really good study into Diana's history there, http://www.amazon.com/Roman-Religion.../dp/0521851580. There is also a good write up about the coinage and the Triple aspect that Diana had at Lake Nemi in the JSTOR article Diana Nemorensis, http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.230...21103216510031

      I have not read them yet but one might also consider

      The Slayer and the King: "Rex Nemorensis" and the Sanctuary of Diana
      C. M. C. Green
      Arion: A Journal of Humanities and the Classics
      Third Series, Vol. 7, No. 3 (Winter, 2000), pp. 24-63
      Published by: Trustees of Boston University
      Article Stable URL:http://www.jstor.org/stable/20163771

      King of the Wood: The Sacrificial Victor in Virgil's Aeneid by Julia T. Dyson
      A. M. Keith
      The American Journal of Philology
      Vol. 124, No. 2 (Summer, 2003), pp. 317-320
      Published by: The Johns Hopkins University Press
      Article Stable URL:http://www.jstor.org/stable/1561670
      I'm Only Responsible For What I Say Not For What Or How You Understand!

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        #18
        Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

        So I am new here, howdy, and my big question is your definition of: "Outlaw" Are you speaking of someone that takes from others and has no issues causing chaos to random strangers? Or are you more a wolf in a pack that has no issues defending what is 'me and mine'?

        From what I have read I would lead to the following:

        Coyote - Coyote is a good example of a free spirit that does what he wants to do. He is not bad per say, but he always makes sure that he has the smile on his face at the end.
        Hermes - He too was mischievous and a traveler. Your desire for freedom and the open road strike me as a good match for this god.
        Dionysus - the god of wine and fertility is known by many in the theater as there patron saint. But he is a man that has no issues with a party or free love. Kinda chaotic but has no issue having a good time with a group.
        Loki - Loki is a trickster and a harbinger of chaos. Lets not forget that he is the father of both Fenris and

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          #19
          Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

          First off:
          Hi, Grimwolf512! I'm relatively new here myself, but here's a welcome from me anyways!


          Second off, in my opinion, I think the following Gods might be a good option for you to consider (not sure if they've been mentioned yet or not):

          If you were female, I'd probably say Artemis as she's all about the running wild and free thing. She loves her freedom, but she's also a virgin and not real big on the male gender, if I'm remembering her stories right. I don't know how well she works with male devotees as I'm not a male, but she still might be a deity to consider.

          Another deity that I'd consider is Herne the Hunter. I remember reading a description of him in one of the Susan Cooper's Dark is Rising books; it described the wild hunt that he leads and he has always struck me since as a very wild and free kind of God. I think he was originally a local God in just one small part of England, but he's more well known in recent times.

          Athena might might be a choice if you consider yourself more like a hero then an outlaw. She's been a strong supporter of male Hero's in a lot of the stories. She's a goddess of wisdom, war and strategy. Although, she might be a little too much on the straight and narrow for you.

          Another option might be Ares, god of war. While Athena is more about the strategies and organized war, Ares is more about the wild, dangerous and angry part of it. And he is a bit of an outlaw. Here's a quote I pulled off wikipedia about him from the Illiad:

          "To me you are the most hateful of all gods who hold Olympos.
          Forever quarrelling is dear to your heart, wars and battles."


          Good luck on your search!

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            #20
            Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

            Originally posted by Claude View Post
            I think you'll appreciate this last one more, although I don't know many details. I seem to recall something about Freyr being associated with liberation and criminals. I want to say it was some story in the Eddas where a man murdered someone and was given asylum in a sacred grove. Also if I remember correctly, Freyr has a connection to the things and courts of Germanic tribes. He protects the accused while they're on trial.

            Actually it is the EXACT opposite...


            academia.edu/4120172/Groves_and_Sacred_Spaces_in_Germanic_and_Scandinav ian_Heathenry

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            Originally posted by GaryG View Post
            Actually it is the EXACT opposite...

            Actually it is the exact OPPOSITE...

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              #21
              Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

              Mercury, Hermes, Dionysus, Pan, Faunus, Libertas, Shiva, and Kali all have some express some sort of relation to freedom/revolution and wildness. I associate any Celtic deity with this, especially given the puckish nature of their spirit host the fae. Since the deities Murugan and Durga are credited as deities who preside over the victory of good over evil, in my personal beliefs this makes them deities of protesters, revolution, and those who pursue just causes. Similarly, Ganesha is the remover of spiritual obstacles making a deity of spiritual freedom.

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                #22
                Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

                Similar to Hermes, other crossroads beings like Papa Legba might "click". I haven't seen anyone else mention Voudon, yet, so thought I'd throw it out there.
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                  #23
                  Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

                  Hmmm...There's always Laverna, goddess of Thieves (more info)
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                    #24
                    Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

                    Really sorry for resurrecting this old pile o' bones. I kind of let this thread slip from me, I was a bit overwhelmed from all the help!

                    So I can't quite reply to all of this, but I'll give you guys all some closure since you were nice enough to help.

                    1. To answer a few questions "What do you mean by outlaw" I thought I kind of outlined it in my original post. Just somebody who does what they think is right despite predefined laws, I have a good moral compass, but I won't not do something because of "Big Brother". I can say proudly to this day that I've never hurt an undeserving person in my adulthood. As a kid is another story.

                    2. I was asked if I'm more into gods rather than goddesses, and I was not quite sure on that one. So far all of my life my main targets of worship have been Odin, Freyr, Thor, YHWH, Christ. Not one female really. So it was interesting to think about.

                    3. I am reviewing all of the suggestions now and am really excited to see if I can't find something that interests me, or even better something interested in me.

                    Thanks again.
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                      #25
                      Re: Deity of freedom/outlaws

                      All of them ultimately. The divine is liberation.

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