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Re: Is the belief in a soul or spirit compulsory for Pagans?
For pagans, in general? No. The word is too broad...
In specific pagan types? Maybe. But the first problem is what, exactly (or even generally), is a "soul"?Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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At times I think of the "golden thread" of life.
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Definition of thread of life
: the course of individual existence especially as fabled in ancient times to be spun and cut by the FatesMAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED
all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
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don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.
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Re: Is the belief in a soul or spirit compulsory for Pagans?
Originally posted by B. de Corbin View PostIn specific pagan types? Maybe. But the first problem is what, exactly (or even generally), is a "soul"?Once a man, like the sea I raged;
Once a woman, like the earth I gave;
And there is in fact more earth than sea.
Genesis lyric
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I also wonder at what we are,Just flesh and bone,with a guiding mental computer kind of,or connected to something much more profound. The idea of what comes after we die is connected to the concept of a spirit or soul. The idea we are just decomposed bits of the over all energy of existence?MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED
all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.
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Re: Is the belief in a soul or spirit compulsory for Pagans?
Originally posted by Spiny Norman View PostBroadly I take soul or spirit to refer to something above, beyond or beneath everyday experience - people often talk about "body, mind and spirit" for example.
No "belief" is required of either because, simply, they are each specific terms for things which have obvious, observable, and experiential existence. To disbelieve in either would be like disbelieving in the sun or moon (which, incidentally, symbolize spirit and soul, respectively).Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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Originally posted by anunitu View PostI also wonder at what we are,Just flesh and bone,with a guiding mental computer kind of,or connected to something much more profound. The idea of what comes after we die is connected to the concept of a spirit or soul. The idea we are just decomposed bits of the over all energy of existence?
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Originally posted by B. de Corbin View PostIn Alchemy, "spirit" and "soul" are two different things, neither one of which matches your definition. Both are obvious parts of "every day existance."Last edited by Spiny Norman; 14 Jan 2016, 04:42.Once a man, like the sea I raged;
Once a woman, like the earth I gave;
And there is in fact more earth than sea.
Genesis lyric
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Re: Is the belief in a soul or spirit compulsory for Pagans?
In brief:
Spirit = The part of a thing that feels, or that causes others to feel about it.
Soul = The part of a thing that thinks, or causes others to have thoughts about it.
If you feel or have feeling about something, or think or have thoughts about something you are directly interacting with spirit or soul. I'm not going to identify how you do it , I'm just gonna assume you do.Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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Originally posted by B. de Corbin View PostSpirit = The part of a thing that feels, or that causes others to feel about it.
Soul = The part of a thing that thinks, or causes others to have thoughts about it.
If you feel or have feeling about something, or think or have thoughts about something you are directly interacting with spirit or soul. I'm not going to identify how you do it , I'm just gonna assume you do.Once a man, like the sea I raged;
Once a woman, like the earth I gave;
And there is in fact more earth than sea.
Genesis lyric
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Re: Is the belief in a soul or spirit compulsory for Pagans?
Originally posted by B. de Corbin View PostIn brief:
Spirit = The part of a thing that feels, or that causes others to feel about it.
Soul = The part of a thing that thinks, or causes others to have thoughts about it.
If you feel or have feeling about something, or think or have thoughts about something you are directly interacting with spirit or soul. I'm not going to identify how you do it , I'm just gonna assume you do.life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.
Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
"But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."
John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper
"You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."
Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis
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Re: Is the belief in a soul or spirit compulsory for Pagans?
Have to admit I sort of see them in a manner similar to the ancient Egyptians.
The Spirit is the the energy body or double that resides within the fleshy body. It holds the form / shape of the physical body but is not unique to humans. Perhaps what one might equate to the primordial or animal self.
The Soul is the higher self or mental energy that records the life of the entity. It's also the part I think that gets reborn or connects one to the gods / goddesses / divinity. It is the part affected / effect by the notion of born again is what is actually what goes to reside with the gods / goddess / God as it where.I'm Only Responsible For What I Say Not For What Or How You Understand!
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Re: Is the belief in a soul or spirit compulsory for Pagans?
Originally posted by MaskedOne View PostThe bold would imply that non-living objects have both elements. Is that accurate?
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Originally posted by Spiny Norman View PostSorry but I don't get this. If I have a thought or a feeling, isn't that just a thought or a feeling? The functions of intellect and emotion, stuff going on in my mind?Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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That is an interesting explanation,could you provide links for the various aspects for further exploring?
My copy of the "Golden Bough" might go into this,but I have not read in a while,my eyesight being less than it used to be.MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED
all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.
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Originally posted by B. de Corbin View PostYes - I am on my computer. I think about my computer, and I enjoy using it to communicate with people (and for other stuff), so I have imbued my computer it both a spirit and a soul.
You say "imbued", so you mean this is a belief you have?Once a man, like the sea I raged;
Once a woman, like the earth I gave;
And there is in fact more earth than sea.
Genesis lyric
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