Ok so I got a question , why is thors hammer and the runes and in some cases odinism itself been adopted by skinheads . And does this happening piss u off or anger u that this group has adopted some of the symbols of the Norse faith
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Originally posted by satanic witch View PostOk so I got a question , why is thors hammer and the runes and in some cases odinism itself been adopted by skinheads .
Originally posted by satanic witch View PostAnd does this happening piss u off or anger u that this group has adopted some of the symbols of the Norse faithI often wish that I had done drugs in the '70s. At least there'd be a reason for the flashbacks. - Rick the Runesinger
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I've read during my rune studies that several ancient symbols, runes and ideals were adopted into Nazi-Germany by, guess who, Nazis.
It was part of a national-romantic ploy to strengthen the idea of a commonly shared glorious, warlike, Germanic past.
Through glorifying and reconstructing (or falsifying) ideals from a common past, in this case Germanic, it's easier to promote supremist views against those who aren't included in that past.
I don't know about other countries but here in Sweden the use of these symbols is generally considered as a racist sign. Even something as innocent as runes from the elder futhark...Here it's mostly used as a white supremist thing. It pisses me off sometimes when I think about it when I have to choose not to wear a certain symbol because people will assume I'm a racist... I live in a small community and word of mouth can be pretty rough here. We have a neonazi party here that has adopted the Aegishjalmur as their logo, so that is ruined for public use...
Also how historically incorrect those ideas are kind of disagrees with me.
This is also why I haven't been able to find and join any heathen groups from around here; they always seem to turn into a racist thing.Last edited by Odahviing; 02 Oct 2014, 05:54.
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About Odinism and Skinheads. What has already been said more or less, though the connotation between Runes, Odin, Norse mythology and nationalism was made before the Nazi party entered the scene (it dates back to the national romantic era circa 1820-1870 or there abouts.) The Nazis just made it fashionable in their own time and tied it to a Holocaust of epic proportions, so that the connection is unlikely to be forgotten any time soon. At least in Europe.
As for what Osahviing said about the runes ect. Now I can only speak for Denmark, but here it isn't nearly as bad. The swastika obviously still has Nazi connotations and is unlike to be rid of them in the foreseeable future, but things such as runes from the elder Futhark, Oath Knots/Oath Rings isn't likely to cause any raised eyebrows or even questions. Though much of the time, it'll be because people don't even know what they are. A Thor's hammer might get you some interested questions, but unless you're clearly acting like a racists or displaying characteristics of say a Skinhead, then that's about all.
This is probably because our one national union of Asatru, Forn Sidr, has done a really hard job over the last several decades of removing themselves from the Nazi connection and make it clear that while the Neo-Nazis used Germanic symbols that didn't mean that every person who believed in the old Norse gods were Nazis or shared any of their opinions.Warning: The above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Originally posted by MoonRaven View PostAbout Odinism and Skinheads. What has already been said more or less, though the connotation between Runes, Odin, Norse mythology and nationalism was made before the Nazi party entered the scene (it dates back to the national romantic era circa 1820-1870 or there abouts.) The Nazis just made it fashionable in their own time and tied it to a Holocaust of epic proportions, so that the connection is unlikely to be forgotten any time soon. At least in Europe.
(And regarding the Swedish seeing racism in these things; swedes see it in *everything*... We are so afraid culturally of not being politically correct *all the time* that anything said or done by a white person can be called out as racist in the media and so forth...)Last edited by Odahviing; 02 Oct 2014, 09:47.
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Thanks to everyone who has repliedKnowledge is the key to eternity. Not bowing before a deity not grovling at the feet of a messiah. Knowledge is power beyond mesure - satanic witch
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Originally posted by MoonRaven View Post... Oath Knots/Oath Rings isn't likely to cause any raised eyebrows or even questions. Though much of the time, it'll be because people don't even know what they are. A Thor's hammer might get you some interested questions, but unless you're clearly acting like a racists or displaying characteristics of say a Skinhead, then that's about all...śivāya vishnu rūpaya śivaḥ rūpaya vishnave
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