Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

[Siloh]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

Medusa,

It seems like the CoS, not to mention LaVey personally, denounce Aleister Crowley, yet I've seen his writings venerated by several pagan communities and have come across his name in Satanic communities decidedly separate from CoS Satanists. What is really odd to me is that he is often mentioned alongside other writers and philosophers who are generally recommended reading by the CoS for Satanic thought, such as Nietzsche. I'd obviously like to get ahold of Crowley's writing to review it personally, but I was wondering if you had experience or opinions on Crowley's work and its value in Satanic lifestyles/thought/practice.

[Medusa]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

Man I wish I did. To be completely honest I don't care much for Crowley. At all. I am not into listening to what drug addicts have to say. I do, however adore Nietzsche! If you wander about on the Modern Church of Satan website you will find a very nice thread on recommended reading material. It's quite varied and interesting.

[Dumuzi]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

I am not into listening to what drug addicts have to say.

And yet you listen to Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson :-p

[Siloh]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

Man I wish I did. To be completely honest I don't care much for Crowley. At all. I am not into listening to what drug addicts have to say. I do, however adore Nietzsche! If you wander about on the Modern Church of Satan website you will find a very nice thread on recommended reading material. It's quite varied and interesting.

That makes perfect sense for why he is referenced in Chaos Magic. Excitatory rituals are all about that LSD/MDMA.

[Ophidia]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

Medusa,

It seems like the CoS, not to mention LaVey personally, denounce Aleister Crowley, yet I've seen his writings venerated by several pagan communities and have come across his name in Satanic communities decidedly separate from CoS Satanists. What is really odd to me is that he is often mentioned alongside other writers and philosophers who are generally recommended reading by the CoS for Satanic thought, such as Nietzsche. I'd obviously like to get ahold of Crowley's writing to review it personally, but I was wondering if you had experience or opinions on Crowley's work and its value in Satanic lifestyles/thought/practice.

Once you start reading more of what Aleister Crowley actually wrote, and less of what's been written about the man, you'd understand why. Crowley wasn't a Satanist. Philosophically, he had many things in common w/Satanists, but he was if anything, a ceremonial magician and a showman. He was also a liar, a buffoon, a mountaineer, a yoga enthusiast, and yes, a drug addict.

[Siloh]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

Once you start reading more of what Aleister Crowley actually wrote, and less of what's been written about the man, you'd understand why. Crowley wasn't a Satanist. Philosophically, he had many things in common w/Satanists, but he was if anything, a ceremonial magician and a showman. He was also a liar, a buffoon, a mountaineer, a yoga enthusiast, and yes, a drug addict.

I see. Good heads up. Though, of course, the showmanship part seems rather congruent with Satanism, and LaVey was a carny himself.

Care to elaborate on "baffoon"? Like, a jester or a meddling idiot?

[Ophidia]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

I see. Good heads up. Though, of course, the showmanship part seems rather congruent with Satanism, and LaVey was a carny himself.

Crowley was around in the late 1800s/early 1900s, so they weren't contemporaries. Being a showman in Crowley's day was more along the lines of a huckster or snake-oil salesman. He did things for the shock value of his time. One of his favorite quotes of mine was about a painting his mother had of Christians being thrown to the lions by the Romans. He said he felt bad that there was a lion who didn't get its own Christian. I think the quote originated in Magick in Theory and Practice.

Care to elaborate on "buffoon"? Like, a jester or a meddling idiot?

Both. I don't really want to hijack Medusa's thread with Crowleyanism, though.

[Medusa]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

And yet you listen to Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson :-p

But I don't look to music to form my philosophy.

*smack smack!

[GabrielWithoutWings]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

I had to look it up,and that is kinda sorta weird. Anyways:

Juggalo or Juggalette (the latter being feminine) is a name given to fans of Insane Clown Posse or any other Psychopathic Records hip hop group.

And no,I did not know that...

And, they are now classified as a Security Threat Group (that is, a gang) by the FBI.

Just FYI.

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Here's a quick question for you spooky LHPers:

Has anyone heard anything out of Diane Vera lately? All of her web sites and blogs are all outdated. I used to visit her site back in the day and check it occasionally to see if anything new has been posted. I understand that she's a theist and most of you are suitheist.

[Juniper]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

Bumping to unlock

[Amunet]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

I wanted to say thank you to Medusa for having this thread ^_^
I really didn't know anything about ANY form of Satanism (let alone that there were many branches).

I've read the whole thread thus far. I did have to break it up cause I feel a bit uneasy learning about it. NOTHING to do with the individuals, just that I don't feel that this particular spirituality/life philosophy applies to me. I'm searching for what I am (spiritually wise) and this helped me learn a bit about how I feel and what I do believe. So thank you VERY much for sharing yourself ^_^

Though, I would like to say that I very much agree with #7 of the 9 Satanic Statements and #'s 3, 5, 6, 9 & 10 of the 11 Rules of the earth ^_^

Again, thank you ^_^

[Medusa]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

You are welcome! Most people on this forum tend to gravitate toward's Torey's side of Satanism. Since it's closer with Paganism then mine. So I just usually sit here knitting baby cloven booty's for Satan.

[Amunet]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

Oh, I thought he'd want horn warmers

[Medusa]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

Oh, I thought he'd want horn warmers

Well that's for his birthday.

[Bjorn]

Re: Ave Satanas (the Ask a Satanist thread)

When it comes to the LaVeyan Clock (I know, I know, I still can't decide), what's your opinion on taking into consideration what other people perceive of you?

For example, people tend to assume I'm smart and scary/aggressive and that tends to pull me towards the 12-4 o'clock (in my interpretation) area, though I see myself much more from 8-12 o'clock.

Obviously, I can identify as I want but I find it much easier to see the archetypes in other people than in myself, and a recent rereading of The Satanic Witch has me mulling over my personal style and identity, and the best thing I have to go off of are the impressions other people tell me they have of me.