Keep safe tomorrow

[Hawkfeathers]

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My mind was 98% made up, now it's 100%.
I believe in giving chances, just in case someone really is on the up & up.
Did.
Done.

[Monster]

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I think women can be good jury members. I think your comment was sexist. That's the level of discussion I'm going to have with you.

I never said women couldn't make good jury members. I said I find it suspicious that a jury of Zimmerman's "peers" was made up of all women. Four of the six, have children. And of the mothers I've known...they don't care if there is video of their little angel using a flamethrower on a church van full of nuns........they will still defend them.

So, 2/3 of the jury are women who are more likely to empathize with "angelic" Trayvon than looking at the facts of the case. Women *are* more emotional than men. You can't dispute that. And my fear is Zimmerman won't get a fair trial because some emotional women believe that he *had* to do something wrong, regardless of the facts.

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Women *CAN* be good jury members. I just don't think that an all female jury, 2/3 of them mothers....as an ideal jury for THIS case.

[Medusa]

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I never said women couldn't make good jury members. I said I find it suspicious that a jury of Zimmerman's "peers" was made up of all women. Four of the six, have children. And of the mothers I've known...they don't care if there is video of their little angel using a flamethrower on a church van full of nuns........they will still defend them.

So, 2/3 of the jury are women who are more likely to empathize with "angelic" Trayvon than looking at the facts of the case. Women *are* more emotional than men. You can't dispute that. And my fear is Zimmerman won't get a fair trial because some emotional women believe that he *had* to do something wrong, regardless of the facts.

You must know, like every mother. Ever. You just have all the experience of every person. Ever. Ever ever. Good for you! But apparently you don't know mine. She yelled at me when I was 13 for walking with my best friend's boyfriend around our apartment complex. Said I looked like a whore doing so. I never did anything like that again! How dare a jury be all women. I mean, we know there are all those really fair trials over the centuries done by all male juries. None of them were ever rigged. Not a one. Ever. The end. Amen. Praise baby jesus.

Come on now.

[Monster]

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You must know, like every mother. Ever. You just have all the experience of every person. Ever. Ever ever. Good for you! But apparently you don't know mine. She yelled at me when I was 13 for walking with my best friend's boyfriend around our apartment complex. Said I looked like a whore doing so. I never did anything like that again! How dare a jury be all women. I mean, we know there are all those really fair trials over the centuries done by all male juries. None of them were ever rigged. Not a one. Ever. The end. Amen. Praise baby jesus.

Come on now.

Your crappy upbringing aside (most of us aren't raised that way, sorry)..........what do trials over the centuries have to do with THIS trial? You just kinda made my point for me. If its not ok for an all male jury to preside over a female accused of a heinous crime......then why is it ok for women to preside over a man accused of the same? It isn't. Why not have a mix of male and female?

[MaskedOne]

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then why is it ok for women to preside over a man accused of the same? It isn't. Why not have a mix of male and female?

Shrug, six women passed voir dire. Given that defense can oppose a jurist being empaneled and has a handful of "get out of jurist free cards" where it just stands up and says "no, that individual can go home" it's not like they were powerless in jury selection. I'm presuming that defending counsel either didn't like any of the men enough to push for one or sees a benefit to an all female jury.

[Monster]

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I think this setup benefitted the prosecution more though. From what I'm seeing it was damned if you do and damned if you don't with the jury selection. If I heard correctly the lesser of two evils was the all female jury, because what was left had too many blacks.

So, either way....I'm mighty afraid ol Zim is screwed.

[Medusa]

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Your crappy upbringing aside (most of us aren't raised that way, sorry)..........what do trials over the centuries have to do with THIS trial? You just kinda made my point for me. If its not ok for an all male jury to preside over a female accused of a heinous crime......then why is it ok for women to preside over a man accused of the same? It isn't. Why not have a mix of male and female?

Men can try men and women can try women. Guess what women can try men and men can try women. It's when you get a man with a certain set of biased opinions about the opposite sex that it becomes a problem. This time you are proving my point.

[Monster]

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Men can try men and women can try women. Guess what women can try men and men can try women. It's when you get a man with a certain set of biased opinions about the opposite sex that it becomes a problem. This time you are proving my point.

Yes, yes....you've done your duty vanquishing the big bad sexist male haven't you. Bwahahahahahaha

Personally, I don't think they are biased at all. The average woman who has kids.....try and say something negative about them. Theres a reason they have the saying "mothers protecting their cubs." Because women will do anything for their kids. Most of them anyway. And they also empathize when other mothers lose their kids.

I feel bad, to a point, about Trayvon's parents. No parent should ever have to suffer the loss of their child. But you know what though? Maybe if they had both stayed together and given that kid some home learning...he wouldn't have thought it was ok to be a "gangsta." When a dog is left to fend for itself, it becomes feral and wild. Kids are no different. When there is no one around to whip their ass and wipe their nose in it when they shit on the carpet...they turn feral.

Trayvon Martin had turned rabid, and in turn got put down. But to his mama....he's still that sweet little boy.

[Medusa]

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Rabid? I guess buying skittles was his vaccine.
Are you serious?
Go be gone with yourself

[Maria de Luna]

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Women *CAN* be good jury members. I just don't think that an all female jury, 2/3 of them mothers....as an ideal jury for THIS case.

Being absolutely honest, I don't think the jury should have been all women, let's be clear I have some issues with there only being 6 jurrors to begin with, but thats a different issue. Technically a jury is supposed to be made up of a persons peers, race is used to determine a person's peer group, frankly sex should be too, I would be miffed just as much if a lady was being tried by all men. Personally I think it should always be a random mix... again it seems like a fail on the part of the defense... They can remove jurrors for whatever reason they like, and I feel like they buggered the pooch on that...

[thalassa]

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Rabid? I guess buying skittles was his vaccine.
Are you serious?
Go be gone with yourself

'Eh, I sort of feel sorry for people like that. They wouldn't survive a week with a different skin tone. Someone just like them would take care of it.



...Which reminds me of a funny yet pathetic commentary on the state of race relations in America. The Hubby got pulled over for DWB.

Last fall, when he was out your way, he was working a job with two other guys that happened to be black. They were working evenings, and were on their way back to their hotels and got pulled over. Hubby was in the back seat, which had tinted windows so the cops did't notice him, just the two back guys in the nice car in a nice neighborhood at night. Never mind that *these* two guys are upstanding family guys, decorated veterans with college degrees, a very nice security clearance, and sweet gov't jobs....they had the gall to drive while black. The two guys had been pulled over on their own the night before after dropping Hubby off at his hotel and harassed by the same cops. So, the cops try giving these guys a hard time, when the Hubby rolls down the windows and gives them a lesson in race relations they will never forget. And then goes to the police station and has a little chat with the watch captain.

I believe he even invoked the "my father was a Chief of Police, and he'd be rolling in his grave to know how your officers were behaving" and the "bad cops like that give good cops and bad name and get them shot" cards.

[Monster]

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Rabid? I guess buying skittles was his vaccine.
Are you serious?
Go be gone with yourself

Actually, innocent little Trayvon was a violent drug user who was involved in felony activity (burglaries), fighting on a regular basis, and was involved in the purchase/sale of stolen firearms. That information comes from A) his OWN texts that were not admitted into evidence in trial, and B) an article that was written in a Florida newspaper after the principal of Trayvon's school and a few others were FIRED after deciding to keep instances of student crime a secret and in school. It seems that the jewelry that was in innocent, angelic Trayvon's backpack was taken in a burglary a few blocks from the school. And when local police learned of it and came to claim it, they were told no because it was a "school matter."

Basically the school was guilty of obstruction and the principal was fired for it.


Oh and lets not forget about Trayvon's oh so caring and crying mother that wants to sue for all this money to get "justice." She has a little bit of revisionist history because she won't admit that she kicked her little angelic boy out of the house and sent him to his father's because he had become so out of control that she couldn't deal with him anymore.

Oops....sorry. Those are facts and you don't like those do you.

[Thothur]

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Trayvon Martin had turned rabid, and in turn got put down. But to his mama....he's still that sweet little boy.

His mother had kicked him out because she couldn't handle him and he was a problem. Her own words. That's not a sweet little angel.

Update: 9:04AM EST Judge Nelson sends jury back to deliberations after they confirm they read/watched no news about the case.

[Monster]

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His mother had kicked him out because she couldn't handle him and he was a problem. Her own words. That's not a sweet little angel.

[Thothur]

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My thoughts... I think they'll 'deliberate' until at least noon to make it look good. There's no way they've been digesting this information for weeks and STILL can't decide whether Zimmerman is guilty or not guilty on the 2nd degree murder and manslaughter charges. I think they're afraid to make a verdict, honestly. And I can't say I really blame them. In a way, if they follow the law, they'll go down in history as being the jury responsible for the outcome that contributes to a riot. They've GOT to know that.