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    Thalassa's School of the Bay

    Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    The political answer is "They are good for education."

    The correct answer is "Standardized testing is a multi-billion dollar growth industry that gives kickbacks to those in power who support them."

    Take your pick.

    Totally off topic, but I'm not adverse to standardized testing if a) the test is fair and equitable and b) the results are used properly. Used properly, of course, means that teachers aren't fired and schools don't loose funding, but rather that the testing is done to let future teachers know where an individual child or group of children needs more assistance, that lets a teacher know areas where their methods might not have been optimally effective, and lets schools know what children, subject areas, and teachers might benefit from assistance (whether it be training for teachers, new text books or teaching materials, or tutoring or specialized assistance for some children). But for schools, teachers, and parents to get something from the test, it needs to be relevant to the students taking it (and there have been plenty of studies on testing bias, which totally explain why and how this impacts test scores). How standardized testing is used today though, is a waste of money and instruction time.

    If I had a shit ton of money, I'd open my own school. It would be year round, with 11 weeks of instruction followed by a 2 week break (and there would be optional day camps centered on different themes or activities on the 2 week breaks). Regular "classes" would go from 8-11 and 1-4, with the school open from 6-6 (8-4 being "mandatory"). For every 40-45 minutes of instruction, there would be 15-20 minutes of outdoor or free play time. A lengthy lunch would be coupled with a lengthy outdoor time and time for student collaboration on projects or study. Breakfast would be served at 7:30 and dinner at 5 for those students that need to stay late and/or come early because of parents work and commuting schedules. There would be monthly "field trips" and alternating "nature study" and volunteering afternoons (or mornings) each week for all ages. The school (and students) would do homesteading for some of its foods. Art or music (on alternating days) and PE or Home Ec (on alternating days) would happen daily, as would a foreign language and social studies (alternating...and yes, world religions would be taught as part of social studies), math, science, and "language arts" (reading and writing and literature and drama). It would be as close to the beach as possible, and swimming (as well as kayaking, etc) would be part of the PE curriculum (and fishing and wildcrafting part of Home ec). Wherever possible, teachers would be encouraged to collaborate--a lesson in the physics principles of acoustics in music class, or experimentally determining the caloric energy of a food in home ex, or putting on a scene from Shakespeare in a unit on Elizabethan history. Before school, there would be free play, a story time, and yoga; after school, gardening, tutoring, and clubs for different interests. Students would be grouped by a combination of age and maturity level for non-instructional time (and some classes)--2 1/2-4/5, 4/5-7/8, 7/8-11/12, 11/12-13/14, and 13/14-17/18 and every class would have at least a teacher and a teacher's assistant. Teachers just for foreign language, art, music, PE, and outdoor/environmental education, as well as reading, math, and science specialists would teach (or coordinate) those classes...and I'd try to staff the afterschool and beforeschool programs with college education majors. Parents would be required, as part of staying enrolled to spend one day each "quarter" volunteering at the school in some way. Price would be income based.

    I don't know if it would work or not, but if I had shit tons of money, I'd try it.
    Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of HistoryPagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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    Re: New York City Bans References To Dinosaurs, Birthdays, Halloween, Dancing

    Originally posted by thalassa View Post
    Totally off topic, but I'm not adverse to standardized testing if a) the test is fair and equitable and b) the results are used properly. Used properly, of course, means that teachers aren't fired and schools don't loose funding, but rather that the testing is done to let future teachers know where an individual child or group of children needs more assistance, that lets a teacher know areas where their methods might not have been optimally effective, and lets schools know what children, subject areas, and teachers might benefit from assistance (whether it be training for teachers, new text books or teaching materials, or tutoring or specialized assistance for some children). But for schools, teachers, and parents to get something from the test, it needs to be relevant to the students taking it (and there have been plenty of studies on testing bias, which totally explain why and how this impacts test scores). How standardized testing is used today though, is a waste of money and instruction time.

    If I had a shit ton of money, I'd open my own school. It would be year round, with 11 weeks of instruction followed by a 2 week break (and there would be optional day camps centered on different themes or activities on the 2 week breaks). Regular "classes" would go from 8-11 and 1-4, with the school open from 6-6 (8-4 being "mandatory"). For every 40-45 minutes of instruction, there would be 15-20 minutes of outdoor or free play time. A lengthy lunch would be coupled with a lengthy outdoor time and time for student collaboration on projects or study. Breakfast would be served at 7:30 and dinner at 5 for those students that need to stay late and/or come early because of parents work and commuting schedules. There would be monthly "field trips" and alternating "nature study" and volunteering afternoons (or mornings) each week for all ages. The school (and students) would do homesteading for some of its foods. Art or music (on alternating days) and PE or Home Ec (on alternating days) would happen daily, as would a foreign language and social studies (alternating...and yes, world religions would be taught as part of social studies), math, science, and "language arts" (reading and writing and literature and drama). It would be as close to the beach as possible, and swimming (as well as kayaking, etc) would be part of the PE curriculum (and fishing and wildcrafting part of Home ec). Wherever possible, teachers would be encouraged to collaborate--a lesson in the physics principles of acoustics in music class, or experimentally determining the caloric energy of a food in home ex, or putting on a scene from Shakespeare in a unit on Elizabethan history. Before school, there would be free play, a story time, and yoga; after school, gardening, tutoring, and clubs for different interests. Students would be grouped by a combination of age and maturity level for non-instructional time (and some classes)--2 1/2-4/5, 4/5-7/8, 7/8-11/12, 11/12-13/14, and 13/14-17/18 and every class would have at least a teacher and a teacher's assistant. Teachers just for foreign language, art, music, PE, and outdoor/environmental education, as well as reading, math, and science specialists would teach (or coordinate) those classes...and I'd try to staff the afterschool and beforeschool programs with college education majors. Parents would be required, as part of staying enrolled to spend one day each "quarter" volunteering at the school in some way. Price would be income based.

    I don't know if it would work or not, but if I had shit tons of money, I'd try it.
    I just want to say i would sooo totally want to be a part of this

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      Re: New York City Bans References To Dinosaurs, Birthdays, Halloween, Dancing

      Since I want to keep talking about this, I figured I'd make a new thread.

      Originally posted by Kahlenda View Post
      I just want to say i would sooo totally want to be a part of this
      Hey, thanks!

      I also think it would be cool to partner with a senior group or something to have them volunteer at the school, and with local groups (like here we have several Beekeeping groups, plus the Master Gardeners, the Master Naturalists, and a couple of Native Plant societies) as often as possible.





      I dream about winning the superhuge lottos just for this. Though, I've thought about writing rich people and asking for donations...if I started a non-profit to run it...
      Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of HistoryPagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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        Re: New York City Bans References To Dinosaurs, Birthdays, Halloween, Dancing

        Originally posted by thalassa View Post
        Since I want to keep talking about this, I figured I'd make a new thread.



        Hey, thanks!

        I also think it would be cool to partner with a senior group or something to have them volunteer at the school, and with local groups (like here we have several Beekeeping groups, plus the Master Gardeners, the Master Naturalists, and a couple of Native Plant societies) as often as possible.





        I dream about winning the superhuge lottos just for this. Though, I've thought about writing rich people and asking for donations...if I started a non-profit to run it...
        I think people would buy into this. Everyone wants their children to have the best possible education, right?

        Look into Kickstarting it!


        Mostly art.

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          Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

          I personally think a lot of schools are founded with those type intents then they go to get accredited and the rules and regulations undermine all their desires. The teachers I speak to today often remark how they are not allowed to teach or inspire critical thinking due to the need to teach to the test.

          Still it is a noble endeavor and one I would wish you luck in were you ever to bring it to fruition. I'd look favorably upon such a school and consider sending my grand-children to such a school
          I'm Only Responsible For What I Say Not For What Or How You Understand!

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            #6
            Re: New York City Bans References To Dinosaurs, Birthdays, Halloween, Dancing

            Originally posted by volcaniclastic View Post
            I think people would buy into this. Everyone wants their children to have the best possible education, right?

            Look into Kickstarting it!

            Kickstarter can be tricky. Plus, there needs to be a place, and it needs to have a yard, and access to the outdoors, and probably to be expandable. Then there's insurance, staffing, a 15 passenger van or two (rather than buses, which have an age limit). And then...what about issuing HS diplomas? What does that require? And what does one practically need for a budget? How many students are needed to pay for yearly salaries and expenses, and at what cost? What about start-up?

            ...like I said, I shit ton of money (at least to do it right)...
            Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of HistoryPagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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              Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

              Originally posted by monsno_leedra View Post
              I personally think a lot of schools are founded with those type intents then they go to get accredited and the rules and regulations undermine all their desires. The teachers I speak to today often remark how they are not allowed to teach or inspire critical thinking due to the need to teach to the test.

              Still it is a noble endeavor and one I would wish you luck in were you ever to bring it to fruition. I'd look favorably upon such a school and consider sending my grand-children to such a school
              Thanks!

              Regarding regulations...I think a lot of that depends on the state too. Public schools are pretty much all hamstrung (on a pretty equal basis), but for private schools and charter schools and (for those states that allow it) homeschooling (and "homeschooling" schools), the regulations can vary pretty widely.
              Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of HistoryPagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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                Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

                I'd work for you.

                if I were rich, I'd do it for free, just because doing as you suggest would be a great pleasure.

                Alas!

                Reality sucks...

                Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.

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                  Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

                  Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
                  I'd work for you.

                  if I were rich, I'd do it for free, just because doing as you suggest would be a great pleasure.

                  Alas!

                  Reality sucks...


                  And I'd hire you!!
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                    Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

                    Thal seriously its a good idea. In three months ive gone from having a business idea to being on the cliff edge for it about to start. right now i have no job and im on benifits you don't need money to start a business aslong as you have the plan and it's well thought out then you can find someone to give you the money. as for everything else you've mentioned research,you can find out everything you need to know easily enough, ask teacher's and the government, google it it's easy to find the information.

                    and i probably wouldn't be much help on the academic front but it happily take the kids out and teach them about living outside. bush craft techniques and hunting techniques.

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                      #11
                      Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

                      What if, instead of a school, you made a summer camp? That is much more affordable.


                      Mostly art.

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                        #12
                        Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

                        Oooh Idea, do the american's have anything like Dragons den?



                        and considering its an educational thing you could probably get a grant (wouldnt be the whole amount but would be a nice sum) from the merlin entertainment group. (the person in charge of the UK lottory and pretty much every major attraction in the UK)

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                          Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

                          Originally posted by Kahlenda View Post
                          Oooh Idea, do the american's have anything like Dragons den?



                          and considering its an educational thing you could probably get a grant (wouldnt be the whole amount but would be a nice sum) from the merlin entertainment group. (the person in charge of the UK lottory and pretty much every major attraction in the UK)
                          We watched this and shark Tank (literally the same thing with an american name) in business class. Then we did some acting with fake money and inventions to learn about investments and contracts.
                          Circe

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                            #14
                            Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

                            Originally posted by Kahlenda View Post
                            Oooh Idea, do the american's have anything like Dragons den?



                            and considering its an educational thing you could probably get a grant (wouldnt be the whole amount but would be a nice sum) from the merlin entertainment group. (the person in charge of the UK lottory and pretty much every major attraction in the UK)
                            Canada has a Dragon's Den.


                            Mostly art.

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                              #15
                              Re: Thalassa's School of the Bay

                              I would come and teach music for you thal! And Indonesian if you wanted that. I'd probably take some of the classes too haha
                              ThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic

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                              I have never been across the way
                              Seen the desert and the birds
                              You cut your hair short
                              Like a shush to an insult
                              The world had been yelling
                              Since the day you were born
                              Revolting with anger
                              While it smiled like it was cute
                              That everything was shit.

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