Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

[gentlestorm]

Re: Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

I'm sorry,Ouranos, It isn't that you weren't being helpful, just that I truly in the deepest part of my soul, believe that there is no way this is self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Ouranos Ouroboros]

Re: Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

I must admit to the feeling of idiocy for forgetting about cedar in smudging. I had never been too consistent about smudging every day like the other people in my clan do, and even when I did, I used only white sage, but I do remember my grandmother burning cedar needles and resin when I was little. A lot of my influence is Blackfoot, since that is the clan from my family that took me in and accepted me, teaching me. Because I am a healer, and see auras, I was supposed to be being trained by the holy man (medicine person) to take his place when he moves on to the next great adventure, but I moved far away, and only came back to the area a week ago, so he hasn't been able to train me. I will try a few of the things that have been suggested/linked here, and I am also formulating a very strong overlapping shield. Thank you.

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As I stated before, the hex was formulated to work like bad luck, until I fought back so hard it had to pull out something much less subtle. I also stated that there ARE good things in my life, but EVERY ONE of them I fought for like my life depended on it. I did whatever I had to do to get the things that were the most important to me. The events I put up there were only examples. I could not even write a book (or even a series of books) about all the bad that has happened due to this. I can understand a few things being bad luck, and I can usually tell what those are (I don't blame it on the hex when I lose at the boats for example. Just bad luck. Or when I swerved to avoid a basset hound in the road, and ran over 5 trees, a fence, and two ditches. Just bad luck and stupidity), but I am not kidding or over-exaggerating when I say that EVERY TIME there is an opportunity for something to go wrong, it does (or tries to. I was able to fight it when fighting for my husband for that year), especially if it is important. I am the unluckiest person in existence. I know that there are people in worse situations than me, but most of them were born into a sucky situation/have had no opportunity to improve their lives. I was born into a decent place, have plenty of opportunity to have a better, easier life. My husband and I work and scrape, and fight like h*ll to have an easier, better life for us and our daughter. And we're slowly inching forward, but every time something gets close to going right for us on its own (anything that is out of our direct and complete control) it goes wrong. We have friends that call us "the Murpheys" because Murphey's law pretty much defines our life.

I'm sorry that my words weren't helpful, then. I'll definitely return and post more if I can think of anything else that would be helpful.

[gentlestorm]

Re: Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

Thank you for the reply and additional info. If your aunt doesn't have a whole lot of native magic behind her then it probably is not a skinwalker type activity. I wish now I could recall what I did hear about raven mockers as I seem to recall it applied to a chant I was given that dealt with Dream Walkers and how they can act like a curse upon the person who is being targeted by the dream walker. Part of what you've said matched part of the affects / effects that I was told about them with regards to Tsagali dream walkers and the chant was specifically in regards to protecting against and revealing them. Not a great source but something

I wonder if you could protect yourself via a moon lodge protection? Sorry being male I was not introduced to much to those type things other than there were certain things the elder women in the tribe or family would place during the moon period. Then figure my family is supposed to be Seneca though there is no evidence according to the Dawes Rolls so we are far removed other than some mountain lore passed down.

With standing from a sweat lodge because of attack also falls under the Dream Walker aspect I know for sure. Even a purification and vision quest afterwards is supposed to be dangerous from my understanding. Sadly I can't do a sweat because of asthma with the heat being a killer though a smoke is just as bad in that regard. Being Cherokee I wonder if you couldn't also use Cedar as a cleanser as well as sage? Figure the eastern nations many times used Cedar in the same manner the western nations used sage for smudging. When I do smudge I try to use cedar as it is not as bitter as white sage to me.

The info and knowledge I have was given to me from a medicine person from the Eastern Nation of the Cherokee but I don't think it should be that different from the Western Nation.

I must admit to the feeling of idiocy for forgetting about cedar in smudging. I had never been too consistent about smudging every day like the other people in my clan do, and even when I did, I used only white sage, but I do remember my grandmother burning cedar needles and resin when I was little. A lot of my influence is Blackfoot, since that is the clan from my family that took me in and accepted me, teaching me. Because I am a healer, and see auras, I was supposed to be being trained by the holy man (medicine person) to take his place when he moves on to the next great adventure, but I moved far away, and only came back to the area a week ago, so he hasn't been able to train me. I will try a few of the things that have been suggested/linked here, and I am also formulating a very strong overlapping shield. Thank you.

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I can only offer a couple of points that haven't already been discussed, but please consider them.


Culture is often important to understanding how a curse was cast, but isn't usually necessary to baffle a curse. If you have a complete and balanced symbol-set, you can deal with just about anything that comes your way.


Curse-casters need permission to affect you. I believe that, in every case I've encountered, the curse takes affect because - on some level - the person affected gave it permission. This is usually done simply by believing it will work, but there are also other acts that constitute permission. The extent to which you will be able to repel it is probably chiefly, maybe even singularly, determined by the extent to which you believe it can no longer harm you. The various symbols - mirrors, royal blue, rowan trees, pentagrams, cleansing baths, etc. - provide catalysts for your confidence in resisting what's happening. But, I feel, that confidence is the key.



The majority of curses are lazy. Many people will cease their attempts if you simply send them the illusion that their curse has succeeded - or present them with the certainty that you know you cannot be affected. Most curses can't be sustained unless the victim helps power them.


Shit continues to happen. We'll sometimes have bad luck, in my opinion, regardless of what else is happening. Some of the events you've described are probably the result of simple bad luck, but that leads me to my final point...


Don't let your beliefs re-write your life unless it's by your choice. I feel you give at least some power to the curse in the way you frame your experiences. Why do you have to express yourself in terms of only having a few good things despite the curse when it gives the curse the power of your expectation that it is affecting you and will continue to do so? Why not say, "I'm so lucky to have life and family I love and a chance to write to like-minded people"? Why not say, "I'm so grateful right now that I can't see how the curse could possibly work at all"? Why not say, "There are uncursed people in such bad situations right now that I can't help but see good things in my life despite any curses in which I might believe"? Ok, I know it isn't just as easy as saying some words, and I know that it can be hard to re-write experiences we've spent years encoding. But I hope you will consider my belief that re-framing your experiences could go a long way toward defeating this curse.


I'm sending a matrix of blue-white energy to you with this post. It's like a puzzle-box; it will keep shifting to new and baffling configurations and reflections when it encounters any curse energy, at least for as long as it has energy to do so (I've started it with enough to withstand a pretty serious curse against four or more people for about a week, at an estimate). It can also shift into any protective totem you might wish, so long as its altered form will cause no harm to anyone. And, as with all energy I send, it will dissipate and leave you completely unaffected should you not with to use it, even on a subconscious level. I hope it, and/or the advice, will help. You certainly deserve a break - and I've got a feeling you'll get it soon.

As I stated before, the hex was formulated to work like bad luck, until I fought back so hard it had to pull out something much less subtle. I also stated that there ARE good things in my life, but EVERY ONE of them I fought for like my life depended on it. I did whatever I had to do to get the things that were the most important to me. The events I put up there were only examples. I could not even write a book (or even a series of books) about all the bad that has happened due to this. I can understand a few things being bad luck, and I can usually tell what those are (I don't blame it on the hex when I lose at the boats for example. Just bad luck. Or when I swerved to avoid a basset hound in the road, and ran over 5 trees, a fence, and two ditches. Just bad luck and stupidity), but I am not kidding or over-exaggerating when I say that EVERY TIME there is an opportunity for something to go wrong, it does (or tries to. I was able to fight it when fighting for my husband for that year), especially if it is important. I am the unluckiest person in existence. I know that there are people in worse situations than me, but most of them were born into a sucky situation/have had no opportunity to improve their lives. I was born into a decent place, have plenty of opportunity to have a better, easier life. My husband and I work and scrape, and fight like h*ll to have an easier, better life for us and our daughter. And we're slowly inching forward, but every time something gets close to going right for us on its own (anything that is out of our direct and complete control) it goes wrong. We have friends that call us "the Murpheys" because Murphey's law pretty much defines our life.

[Tylluan Penry]

Re: Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

Tylluan: Could it be any picture? Like just a decorative piece? I think my aunt gave my mom a framed picture of something at one point.

Yes, it could. I once knew someone who tried to curse using a fancy tea towel! Apart from the picture look for anything made of leather, grasses, natural materials - for some reason these carry curses well.

[Ouranos Ouroboros]

Re: Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

I can only offer a couple of points that haven't already been discussed, but please consider them.


Culture is often important to understanding how a curse was cast, but isn't usually necessary to baffle a curse. If you have a complete and balanced symbol-set, you can deal with just about anything that comes your way.


Curse-casters need permission to affect you. I believe that, in every case I've encountered, the curse takes affect because - on some level - the person affected gave it permission. This is usually done simply by believing it will work, but there are also other acts that constitute permission. The extent to which you will be able to repel it is probably chiefly, maybe even singularly, determined by the extent to which you believe it can no longer harm you. The various symbols - mirrors, royal blue, rowan trees, pentagrams, cleansing baths, etc. - provide catalysts for your confidence in resisting what's happening. But, I feel, that confidence is the key.



The majority of curses are lazy. Many people will cease their attempts if you simply send them the illusion that their curse has succeeded - or present them with the certainty that you know you cannot be affected. Most curses can't be sustained unless the victim helps power them.


Shit continues to happen. We'll sometimes have bad luck, in my opinion, regardless of what else is happening. Some of the events you've described are probably the result of simple bad luck, but that leads me to my final point...


Don't let your beliefs re-write your life unless it's by your choice. I feel you give at least some power to the curse in the way you frame your experiences. Why do you have to express yourself in terms of only having a few good things despite the curse when it gives the curse the power of your expectation that it is affecting you and will continue to do so? Why not say, "I'm so lucky to have life and family I love and a chance to write to like-minded people"? Why not say, "I'm so grateful right now that I can't see how the curse could possibly work at all"? Why not say, "There are uncursed people in such bad situations right now that I can't help but see good things in my life despite any curses in which I might believe"? Ok, I know it isn't just as easy as saying some words, and I know that it can be hard to re-write experiences we've spent years encoding. But I hope you will consider my belief that re-framing your experiences could go a long way toward defeating this curse.


I'm sending a matrix of blue-white energy to you with this post. It's like a puzzle-box; it will keep shifting to new and baffling configurations and reflections when it encounters any curse energy, at least for as long as it has energy to do so (I've started it with enough to withstand a pretty serious curse against four or more people for about a week, at an estimate). It can also shift into any protective totem you might wish, so long as its altered form will cause no harm to anyone. And, as with all energy I send, it will dissipate and leave you completely unaffected should you not with to use it, even on a subconscious level. I hope it, and/or the advice, will help. You certainly deserve a break - and I've got a feeling you'll get it soon.

[monsno_leedra]

Re: Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

I do not know if it will help but I keep getting urged to seek out raven mocker and this link comes up and I am compelled to post it.

http://cherokeeregistry.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=43&Itemid=437

[monsno_leedra]

Re: Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

I am Blackfoot/Cherokee/Chikasaw. My aunt only has Cherokee though. She was very much into Wiccan-influenced magick, but as I stated before, didn't follow the rede. She knew very little of Native magick at the time, having been raised by her white mother, and had little contact with her father or his family on the res after she turned 16, but I did once hear her say something about raven mockers when she was talking about her family on that side though. The Elders haven't dealt with this type of thing before. They said usually the hexes in their society don't act like this, going after all aspects of your life, they generally are targeted at something in particular (ex: relationships, money, health, or sexual relations.), and are usually a type of revenge for some real or perceived betrayal. They could only offer the advice to smudge with sage when the sun is rising, and to protect myself with as many overlapping shields as possible, especially during my moon cycle (they believe a woman to have a lot of power during the moon cycle, but also to be vulnerable.) They also think it would be wise for me to withstand from the sweat lodge until it is resolved, because my spirit could be open to attack.

Thank you for the reply and additional info. If your aunt doesn't have a whole lot of native magic behind her then it probably is not a skinwalker type activity. I wish now I could recall what I did hear about raven mockers as I seem to recall it applied to a chant I was given that dealt with Dream Walkers and how they can act like a curse upon the person who is being targeted by the dream walker. Part of what you've said matched part of the affects / effects that I was told about them with regards to Tsagali dream walkers and the chant was specifically in regards to protecting against and revealing them. Not a great source but something http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Mocker or http://www.thefullwiki.org/Raven_Mocker

I wonder if you could protect yourself via a moon lodge protection? Sorry being male I was not introduced to much to those type things other than there were certain things the elder women in the tribe or family would place during the moon period. Then figure my family is supposed to be Seneca though there is no evidence according to the Dawes Rolls so we are far removed other than some mountain lore passed down.

With standing from a sweat lodge because of attack also falls under the Dream Walker aspect I know for sure. Even a purification and vision quest afterwards is supposed to be dangerous from my understanding. Sadly I can't do a sweat because of asthma with the heat being a killer though a smoke is just as bad in that regard. Being Cherokee I wonder if you couldn't also use Cedar as a cleanser as well as sage? Figure the eastern nations many times used Cedar in the same manner the western nations used sage for smudging. When I do smudge I try to use cedar as it is not as bitter as white sage to me.

The info and knowledge I have was given to me from a medicine person from the Eastern Nation of the Cherokee but I don't think it should be that different from the Western Nation.

[gentlestorm]

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Sorry to hear about all of that. I am curious though what suggestions have those elders given you? I am assuming those elders are medicine people of some sort or you have spoken to medicine elders. The reason I say that is it seem's possible that something of a Skinwalker type usage is possibly being used if your Aunt is of Native American heritage as well. You do not mention what your tribe or nation is so I do not think it would be a Navajo Skinwalker but something equatable for your particular nation. As such the basis of a curse would be applied differently than you'd expect from a Wiccan or European backed practice.

I'd assume there would be more of a ash or bones dust component aspect to any magical curse or hex in that capacity. I do admit my knowledge of those practices is very limited and incomplete in regards to actual workings. Those I have known over the years who originated in the South Western Area of the US only speak of them in passing and do not go into to much detail for fear of attracting their attention upon themselves.

I am Blackfoot/Cherokee/Chikasaw. My aunt only has Cherokee though. She was very much into Wiccan-influenced magick, but as I stated before, didn't follow the rede. She knew very little of Native magick at the time, having been raised by her white mother, and had little contact with her father or his family on the res after she turned 16, but I did once hear her say something about raven mockers when she was talking about her family on that side though. The Elders haven't dealt with this type of thing before. They said usually the hexes in their society don't act like this, going after all aspects of your life, they generally are targeted at something in particular (ex: relationships, money, health, or sexual relations.), and are usually a type of revenge for some real or perceived betrayal. They could only offer the advice to smudge with sage when the sun is rising, and to protect myself with as many overlapping shields as possible, especially during my moon cycle (they believe a woman to have a lot of power during the moon cycle, but also to be vulnerable.) They also think it would be wise for me to withstand from the sweat lodge until it is resolved, because my spirit could be open to attack.

[monsno_leedra]

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Monsno: I do have good things in my life, but it is in spite of everything else. The good things I have are things I fought ferociously for. I fought and fought to keep the man I'm married to, though everything was against us at every turn. I usually am the kind of person to think you bring what you call, but I try and try and try, and fight, and always have faith that things will turn around, and they seem like they will... until they don't. I am by nature optimistic and easy going, but this has gotten under my skin and hurt me in as many ways as possible. Even two of the elders in my tribe believe that this is not natural. They've seen it, me and my husband being knocked down over and over, and before that, me and my parents. Nothing for us goes right on its own. We have to struggle and fight for ANYTHING good. We aren't bad people with bad Karma. In fact, my husband and I are often too nice, and get taken advantage of. I just want a REAL chance at a fair fight. The normal level of unluckiness people have would be fine with me. We don't want a free ride, we just want to not be constantly swimming up a waterfall. ..

Sorry to hear about all of that. I am curious though what suggestions have those elders given you? I am assuming those elders are medicine people of some sort or you have spoken to medicine elders. The reason I say that is it seem's possible that something of a Skinwalker type usage is possibly being used if your Aunt is of Native American heritage as well. You do not mention what your tribe or nation is so I do not think it would be a Navajo Skinwalker but something equatable for your particular nation. As such the basis of a curse would be applied differently than you'd expect from a Wiccan or European backed practice.

I'd assume there would be more of a ash or bones dust component aspect to any magical curse or hex in that capacity. I do admit my knowledge of those practices is very limited and incomplete in regards to actual workings. Those I have known over the years who originated in the South Western Area of the US only speak of them in passing and do not go into to much detail for fear of attracting their attention upon themselves.

[gentlestorm]

Re: Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

There are several to look through, so you ought to find something useful.

Thanks. I'll take a look.

[Rick]

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An un-crossing bath? How would I go about that? I'm sure I could "google" it, but there's no telling what hullabaloo I'd find from unreliable sources.

The Little Woman said to search at www.luckymojo.com so I did...

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp_a=sp0620c600&sp_f=iso-8859-1&sp_q=uncrossing+bath&sp-w=alike&sp-d=any&sp-x=any&sp-c=25&sp-p=any

There are several to look through, so you ought to find something useful.

[gentlestorm]

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Monsno: I do have good things in my life, but it is in spite of everything else. The good things I have are things I fought ferociously for. I fought and fought to keep the man I'm married to, though everything was against us at every turn. I usually am the kind of person to think you bring what you call, but I try and try and try, and fight, and always have faith that things will turn around, and they seem like they will... until they don't. I am by nature optimistic and easy going, but this has gotten under my skin and hurt me in as many ways as possible. Even two of the elders in my tribe believe that this is not natural. They've seen it, me and my husband being knocked down over and over, and before that, me and my parents. Nothing for us goes right on its own. We have to struggle and fight for ANYTHING good. We aren't bad people with bad Karma. In fact, my husband and I are often too nice, and get taken advantage of. I just want a REAL chance at a fair fight. The normal level of unluckiness people have would be fine with me. We don't want a free ride, we just want to not be constantly swimming up a waterfall.

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Tylluan: Could it be any picture? Like just a decorative piece? I think my aunt gave my mom a framed picture of something at one point.

[Tylluan Penry]

Re: Breaking a curse? (WARNING: Very long winded)

In ancient Greece, people would post up notices stating that so-and-so had been cursed and once that was done fear and anxiety made much of it a self fulfilling prophecy.
That said, some people do have the ability to brood and hex to an alarming degree.

Breaking a curse is not really about fighting back as such. It has to begin with cleansing work, yes, because negativity can seep into everything. But I strongly advise you to look for a picture that your aunt has given you (or concealed somewhere.) Longstanding curses (in my experience) often work through gifts that incorporate a picture, especially native or tribal art with hide, leather, grasses etc.

If you do find one, you need to destroy it (preferably by burning and sprinkling with salt, but watch because salt makes flames 'pop' sometimes.) Then dispose of the ashes into running water if you can (but NOT into a household drain). If you can't do that, bury them in the ground with plenty of salt over, above and around them.

Best of luck.

[gentlestorm]

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An un-crossing bath? How would I go about that? I'm sure I could "google" it, but there's no telling what hullabaloo I'd find from unreliable sources.

[monsno_leedra]

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I notice you mention native American spirituality and wonder why you've jumped to the conclusion of a curse and not the Native perspective you bring to you what your call. If you think bad things are coming then typically that is what you will bring and notice at the expense of everything else. Sort of the if your looking for bad then that is what you shall find whether it is actually supposed to be that way or not.

In truth I highly doubt a curse was directed or maintained for any amount of time. The focus, concentration and detachment needed to successfully cast such requires a whole lot of commitment and for though. Doesn't matter whether one has a coven or a whole nation behind them in that regard and in most instances it is always a single practitioner who casts a successful curse, hex or evil eye type spell. They don't typically bring in others as the focus and construction of the thing is then all screwed up and more difficult to maintain.

In my experience it's far more likely your were told something like that in the hopes you'd keep it going yourself by your belief and expectation of something bad happening. In that regard the first step in breaking it is to change your perspective about and towards it.