Re: Have you ever talked to a demon?
I believe that Ha-Satan is a title that was awarded to certain angels that performed that function at YHVH's behest. The term means roughly 'The Accuser' or 'The Adversary' and the ancient texts are very clear that it is a title, but not clear at all about who may have held that title. There's all sorts of speculation about exactly who THE Ha-Satan was... you know, the one who Fell and took a good chunk of the host of Heaven with him... but the reality is that the texts don't tell us so any word on the matter is either speculation or UPG. I don't speculate about who that particular Ha-Satan was, but I do believe that the title can be applied to a number of deities, and I'm one of those people who loosely attaches it to Adversary deities of all sorts of pantheons.
But yes, I do believe that the character of the Old Testament that wore the title Ha-Satan is an actual entity. However, I don't believe that he is the same entity that is now named 'The Devil'. I think that the Devil of the New Testament is an egregore that has been created from the amalgamated beliefs of thousands of Christians over time. I think that no such entity originally existed, but that came to exist and now exists as a self-sufficient entity that is a part of the Judeo-Christian pantheon. I've had no dealings with this egregore-Devil though, and I don't plan to. But he is not the same as Satan, Lucifer or Baal (which is also a title, not a name), and he is not an entity that Satanists and Demonolators work with.
YHVH... I think he's just a deity like any other. He's just more ambitious than most. I actually believe that YHVH was originally a Semitic deity, perhaps the deity of the early Canaanite pantheon who was named El (although that is another title that is not really a name). I personally think that he had ambitions of power and was perhaps influenced by Ahura Mazda and the monotheistic trend that was moving West from Zoroastrianism. I think that he started his own little set of followers in his little Garden of Eden and set himself up as the supreme deity of that line of followers. If you look at the ancient texts, he never actually states that he is the only god in the world... just that if you want to follow him you can't worship any other gods. The ancient texts actually state that Adam and Eve were NOT the only two humans in the world at that point... even if people wish to ignore Lillith's story, there are references in the Old Testament to people outside of Eden, and of lines of descent that don't stem from Adam and Eve.
I think that the Garden of Eden is a place in the Otherworlds where YHVH set up his little breeding program, and that Adam and Eve were kicked out into this world when they didn't play by his rules. I think that YHVH rules his corner of the Otherworlds just as many deities rule their corners, but that he's protective and doesn't like to share his followers and the power in this world that he derives from them. I think that if you follow the Judeo-Christian paths then your after-death options are those laid out by those faiths, but that for the rest of us, what YHVH does or doesn't like, and what you have to do to get into Heaven, is irrelevant.
Originally posted by creepyoak
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But yes, I do believe that the character of the Old Testament that wore the title Ha-Satan is an actual entity. However, I don't believe that he is the same entity that is now named 'The Devil'. I think that the Devil of the New Testament is an egregore that has been created from the amalgamated beliefs of thousands of Christians over time. I think that no such entity originally existed, but that came to exist and now exists as a self-sufficient entity that is a part of the Judeo-Christian pantheon. I've had no dealings with this egregore-Devil though, and I don't plan to. But he is not the same as Satan, Lucifer or Baal (which is also a title, not a name), and he is not an entity that Satanists and Demonolators work with.
YHVH... I think he's just a deity like any other. He's just more ambitious than most. I actually believe that YHVH was originally a Semitic deity, perhaps the deity of the early Canaanite pantheon who was named El (although that is another title that is not really a name). I personally think that he had ambitions of power and was perhaps influenced by Ahura Mazda and the monotheistic trend that was moving West from Zoroastrianism. I think that he started his own little set of followers in his little Garden of Eden and set himself up as the supreme deity of that line of followers. If you look at the ancient texts, he never actually states that he is the only god in the world... just that if you want to follow him you can't worship any other gods. The ancient texts actually state that Adam and Eve were NOT the only two humans in the world at that point... even if people wish to ignore Lillith's story, there are references in the Old Testament to people outside of Eden, and of lines of descent that don't stem from Adam and Eve.
I think that the Garden of Eden is a place in the Otherworlds where YHVH set up his little breeding program, and that Adam and Eve were kicked out into this world when they didn't play by his rules. I think that YHVH rules his corner of the Otherworlds just as many deities rule their corners, but that he's protective and doesn't like to share his followers and the power in this world that he derives from them. I think that if you follow the Judeo-Christian paths then your after-death options are those laid out by those faiths, but that for the rest of us, what YHVH does or doesn't like, and what you have to do to get into Heaven, is irrelevant.
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