Scottish Vote for Independence

[thalassa]

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Hubby and I talked about this yesterday...and my answer to him was that (at least from what we've seen in the news), there wasn't enough of a plan. If I lived in Scotland (and had my great-great-great-great-great grandparents chosen differently, I it may have happened that way), I'm not sure that (as much as I might have wanted to, and supported independence as an idea) that (when it came to practicality) I would have voted yes when the time came without there being an outline of how this would all transpire. It (at least from our news) looked (to me) more like a Yes=Oh crud, WTF do we do next? Idealism is great...but it works better with something to back it up.

Hubby though, was sad.

[DanieMarie]

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I dunno. I read a pretty clear plan. I think it was The Guardian that posted a really good feature about "what would happen next" and how independence would play out. Unfortunately, there were a lot of questions that just -couldn't- be answered, and a lot of those were due to bullying. Would banks really pull out of Scotland, for example? Would the UK kick Scotland out of the CTA and put up borders? Would Scotland have to come up with its own currency? I think that, in reality, none of those things would have happened, but the threat was there.

What i think the International media did a terrible job of was explaining the independence was to be a process. Scotland wasn't going to just cut off and be its own country as of September 19. It was to transition over the course of a couple of years. During those couple of years, there were to be talks with NATO, the EU, and Westminster to reach various agreements with those nations/institutions. Scotland was to organize its government and transition into taking responsibility for all areas that it does not currently run itself (as we've stated before in this thread, Scotland already runs its own education system, NHS, etc and it already has a parliament).

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...vote?CMP=fb_gu (looks like I still had it up on my browser...sometimes never deleting my tabs pays off!)


Possibly, Scotland could be in a better position to vote on its independence a few years down the road. If Westminster makes good on its promise and devolves further powers to Scotland, it will have more control over its own taxation and public spending. If not, people will see yet another broken promise to give more power to Scotland.

[Doc_Holliday]

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That was freaky how much it resembled the Quebec referendum. Everybody holds their breath, results are final. People with 'Oui' or yes shirts are tearing up in the crowd with blue and white flags draped over their shoulders. wow.

I'd be lying to you guys if I said I didn't like the result. But I do feel bad for those actually in Scotland who wanted independence badly. If its any concellation to the yessers you should be able to have another go at it in a while.

[DanieMarie]

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I think there's actually a HUGE difference here, though, and its one that the Canadian media chose to entirely ignore. This wasn't just a movement based on nationalism and a traditional dislike of the English; it was a movement that took a lot of its fire from the policies of the past 30 years. If the UK hadn't moved towards privatization and if its policies didn't serve the interests of bankers in London over all else, it wouldn't have had even half as much steam. It drives me -crazy- that this is getting ignored so much, because this is one of the most important things that needs to get addressed in the UK at the moment, not just for Scotland but for pretty much everywhere else outside of London. I hope that if anything comes of this, it's devolution for different regions.

[Quetzal]

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Well, I'm glad Scotland chose to stay. Hopefully they'll help us kick the tory nobheads out and make some drastic changes to the way this country is run. After all, even if it wasn't the majority, that's almost half of Scotland who were so sick of the southern cunts being in charge that they wanted out entirely. And I can't imagine the no voters are particularly happy with the way things are run, even though they decided to stay. That's gotta have some weight, right?

With Scotland, North England and Wales sick of the bastards, they'd better start changing things around here.

[thalassa]

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What i think the International media did a terrible job of was explaining the independence was to be a process. Scotland wasn't going to just cut off and be its own country as of September 19. It was to transition over the course of a couple of years.

I listen to NPR...they usually do a pretty good job, particularly here because we have so many international businesses and military personnel

Possibly, Scotland could be in a better position to vote on its independence a few years down the road. If Westminster makes good on its promise and devolves further powers to Scotland, it will have more control over its own taxation and public spending. If not, people will see yet another broken promise to give more power to Scotland.

I agree with this in the long term.

[Tylluan Penry]

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The promises that were made to Scotland to entice them to vote No should now I feel be extended to Wales and Northern Ireland. Otherwise I will be very cross indeed

[Malflick]

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I'm pleased the UK is staying together for a lot of reasons, a lot of which has to do with racists in America watching the referendum to see how it could play into their secessionist dreams. However even if Scotland gets its independence at another point, I'm very glad its not happening under Alex Salmond. He seemed to be willing to promise anything to get independence, even when everyone else said those things would never be possible or happen. A lot of "yes" voters would have found themselves really disappointed when a lot of Salmond's promises.

If Scotland decides to go for independence in the future, it needs to do it under someone who is going to be straight with them about what independence means.

[B. de Corbin]

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Maybe if Texas leaves the union, we could have textbooks that don't treat "creationism" as if it were science...

[Tylluan Penry]

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Well, I'm glad Scotland chose to stay. Hopefully they'll help us kick the tory nobheads out and make some drastic changes to the way this country is run. After all, even if it wasn't the majority, that's almost half of Scotland who were so sick of the southern cunts being in charge that they wanted out entirely. And I can't imagine the no voters are particularly happy with the way things are run, even though they decided to stay. That's gotta have some weight, right?

With Scotland, North England and Wales sick of the bastards, they'd better start changing things around here.

The big problem has been the way our electoral system works - so Wales, Scotland and the North of England are basically socialist/labour/nationalists. But we still get a tory coalition that NOBODY actually voted into government, and that calls the shots.

[MaskedOne]

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I'm pleased the UK is staying together for a lot of reasons, a lot of which has to do with racists in America watching the referendum to see how it could play into their secessionist dreams. However even if Scotland gets its independence at another point, I'm very glad its not happening under Alex Salmond. He seemed to be willing to promise anything to get independence, even when everyone else said those things would never be possible or happen. A lot of "yes" voters would have found themselves really disappointed when a lot of Salmond's promises.

If Scotland decides to go for independence in the future, it needs to do it under someone who is going to be straight with them about what independence means.

I am perfectly okay with rehashing the last time we debated secession with the South. I am also perfectly okay with using Sherman as an example of how to win that debate again. There are days where I'm firmly convinced that we were a touch too merciful with their pride the last time we had this discussion so if they really want a repeat...

Hmm, it's possible I should dial down the bloodlust.

[anunitu]

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Maybe if Texas leaves the union, we could have textbooks that don't treat "creationism" as if it were science...

Gotta think Texas is kinda the crazy brain dead brother that we seldom speak about,and keep up in the attic....

[Naiad]

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As someone living in Texas, there are plenty more far right creationist people in the other southern states, just sayin.

[Doc_Holliday]

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As someone living in Texas, there are plenty more far right creationist people in the other southern states, just sayin.

Insinuating that living in an area gives you direct knowledge of how many far right creationists there are in your entire state. I don't know how many there are in Ontario.

[anunitu]

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Good to know.....REALLY...Good to know..