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    employment and ethics

    Will you take a job for an organization whose ideals and/or ethics and/or policies you disagree with? Would you quit a job whose ideals and/or ethics and/or policies you disagree with?

    Where do you draw the line?
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    It depends on how strongly I disagreed with it. If it was completely against my morals, I wouldn't take the job or would quit, whichever was necessary. For example, I could be, say, a secretary in a Christian church or a temple or mosque, even though I don't agree with some of the things their religions say. If the church/temple/whatever was going on a massive anti-gay campaign, I would quit.
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      #3
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      There are so many ifs, ands, and buts to this that I can't really give a simple answer. I have unwittingly worked for places I disagreed with, because during the interview process they misrepresented themselves.
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        Yes. I've left jobs I thought were just being douches to their employees. I'm not a person to clock in, dick around for 8 hours, clock out. I actually like doing my job. I take pride in it. I'm there 5 days a week. If I don't feel the company mission, I'm not going to stick around.
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          Working as dealer in a casino was one of the most soul sucking ethically challenged jobs I ever had. I had to get out after a year. The pay is really good but ultimately not worth it.

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            Originally posted by ThePaganMafia View Post
            Working as dealer in a casino was one of the most soul sucking ethically challenged jobs I ever had. I had to get out after a year. The pay is really good but ultimately not worth it.
            This, almost exactly. I was a slot attendant, but still. A huge part of why I hated my job was that it drew from and attention to so many things I found ethically wrong. So I found a new job as soon as I could.
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              Originally posted by thalassa View Post
              Will you take a job for an organization whose ideals and/or ethics and/or policies you disagree with? Would you quit a job whose ideals and/or ethics and/or policies you disagree with?

              Where do you draw the line?
              It depends on how reprehensible I find them and how badly I need the job in question. If I don't need them at all then I'll drop them really quickly over ethical disputes. If dropping them will particularly complicate my life then I may hold on long enough to grab something else unless something really irks me. If dropping them forces me to rely on friends and family to continue functioning then they need to be doing something I have profound issues with and there may or may not be law enforcement involved soon after before I drop them.
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                #8
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                I dunno.

                How much are they paying, and how ethically nasty is it?

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                  I'll deal with the grime for as long as I need until another opportunity presents itself, such as me finding another job or a job coming to me. I disagree with how the management is running us and how my in-store manager is slightly racist and sexist, but he's also not from America, so I can totally blame his bigotry on his culture not him just being an ignorant tool, right?

                  I need the job and I make pretty good money for the hours I get, so I guess my love of money does overpower my morals when it comes to the workplace. It bothers me, but for now it's how I pay the bills.

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                    This may sound funny, but I literally go with my gut. If there is any ethical conflict of significance, it's even possible I will feel it there first, before I am mentally aware of the problem.

                    It wasn't really my ethical problem although deciding what to do with the information eventually was, but I've had three work instances where I did the daily books and through that process learned someone above me was stealing. In each case, my stomach knew first. Because mentally, you want to think there is "somewhere else" the money could be going, but my persistent upset stomach at work during each of those times confirmed my suspicions were valid.

                    So, like I said, that wasn't a direct ethical conflict for me, but it taught me that I could rely on my digestive system.


                    FWIW, they all got fired eventually because of my tidy bookkeeping but not necessarily when I turned the information in.

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                      The one job I would NEVER take was with a company that produced weapons for war..Back in the Day it was Dow chemical and Napalm.
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                        I think it would depend on the job. I wouldn't care how much you pay me. If the job involved polluting the Earth, racism, hurting animals, or something like that which went against my ethics...H-E-L-L NO!
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                          Originally posted by thalassa View Post
                          Will you take a job for an organization whose ideals and/or ethics and/or policies you disagree with? Would you quit a job whose ideals and/or ethics and/or policies you disagree with?

                          Where do you draw the line?
                          To say I would never take a job that I don't agree with ethically would be a lie because if I was jobless and needed money I would work almost anywhere. That doesnt mean I would be proud of myself but I've been broke, I've been very broke and I'm not going to allow my family to suffer.
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                            TIL lots of companies are shady. I've never worked for a shady company thus far. Just crappy supervisors and their local shady treatment of their employees.
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                              "Will you take a job for an organization whose ideals and/or ethics and/or policies you disagree with?"

                              No, I wouldn't.

                              "Would you quit a job whose ideals and/or ethics and/or policies you disagree with?"

                              Yes. I did, once... it was ok to begin with, Jan 2000 - 2006/7 but everything changed when they called in so-called "experts" to major league re-structure everything, so I quit in Jan 2008.

                              "Where do you draw the line?"

                              When my sensibilities are offended. When I feel I'm being taken for a mug. When the company I work for doesn't sit well with my personal ethics.

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