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[Hawkfeathers]

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The really sad thing is that it isn't just Trump or Trump supporters. It seems to be taking place in far too many situations. It seems like what used to be called "bad behavior" is now "regular behavior," and there isn't "bad behavior" unless you kill a puppy (on TV).

Yes. It starts in the home. I hear things that outright shock me because they are so contrary to how I was raised. (Kid says they want a certain thing for dinner, mom makes that , then kid takes something different from dad's plate and eats it instead, and this is all good. I would have been made to stand by my choice.) Those little everyday things add up and you get people with less respect, less ability to commit to and understand the ramifications of, decisions, etc. I'm not saying parents should be dictators or be mean to kids, but there are so many opportunities to gain valuable life lessons that are lost. The depreciation of honor and respect shows in general public attitude, and is reflected in some leadership candidates as well. As above, so below, and all that.

[ThePaganMafia]

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Actually, when you have a large, economically undeserved population and a Presidential candidate is openly hostile to said economically undeserved group you have a recipe for violent clashes that has nothing to do with whatever acceptable behavior is.

But, what's really amazing how the older generation, like my father or grandmother how I hear things that outright shock me like how things were better in colored neighborhoods or referring to black people as negro or nigger, all quite openly. I was most definitely not raised like that. We really need to do something about that older generation and their 1950's values.

[Denarius]

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Actually, when you have a large, economically undeserved population and a Presidential candidate is openly hostile to said economically undeserved group you have a recipe for violent clashes that has nothing to do with whatever acceptable behavior is.

I assume that you mean undeRserved. Otherwise I assume you are saying that Trump protesters are people who didn't earn their money. Which is something that I would say, semi-facetiously, but is uncharacteristic of you.

Also, Trump's voting base is largely disenfranchised blue collar workers so the candidate you mention can't possibly be Trump.

[Hawkfeathers]

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Actually, when you have a large, economically undeserved population and a Presidential candidate is openly hostile to said economically undeserved group you have a recipe for violent clashes that has nothing to do with whatever acceptable behavior is.

But, what's really amazing how the older generation, like my father or grandmother how I hear things that outright shock me like how things were better in colored neighborhoods or referring to black people as negro or nigger, all quite openly. I was most definitely not raised like that. We really need to do something about that older generation and their 1950's values.

I hear plenty of racism from teenagers/young adults, too. It's sad how that stuff continues on. It shocked me as a child to be a racial target, too, since it isn't something I would ever have thought of! Now, the word "negro" was acceptable/preferred when I was a kid, and there have been several changes since then. I also remember hearing "cracker" but not so much "honky".

[thalassa]

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Trump supporters aren't disenfranchised, they are (at best) disenchanted and (more often in my observational experience) ignorant. And by ignorant, I don't mean they are stupid, but poorly educated. Also generally overly religious, but not necessarily church-going, and often nationalistic to the brink of jingoism. And that is without taking account of the coded language about women and minorities.

[Hawkfeathers]

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Who loves your liver baby...

And I'M the one with the strange mind? :lol:

[Denarius]

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Trump supporters aren't disenfranchised,

Right. Their jobs were outsourced overseas because they were ignorant and poorly educated, and not because of corporate interest. It's not like corporate exploitation of migrant workers has negatively affected the working class. They're just racist and ignorant.

[thalassa]

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Right. Their jobs were outsourced overseas because they were ignorant and poorly educated, and not because of corporate interest. It's not like corporate exploitation of migrant workers has negatively affected the working class. They're just racist and ignorant.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disenfranchise

[Denarius]

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To deprive of a franchise, of a legal right, or of some privilege or immunity

Exactly. Corporate interests have hijacked the GOP, undermining workers' rights and making their votes worthless.

The adjective disenfranchised describes a person or group of people who are stripped of their power.

[thalassa]

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Exactly. Corporate interests have hijacked the GOP, undermining workers' rights and making their votes worthless.

The adjective disenfranchised describes a person or group of people who are stripped of their power.

That's their own fault for voting for them.

At least they can vote..unlike work, voting is an enumerated actual right, Constitution-wise (and what disenfranchised generally refers to historically*). They created this for themselves...they re the ones that supported deregulation, union busting, etc. Don't complain that your jobs moved to China when you bought half the stuff in your home there. Middle and lower class Americans sent jobs overseas from their consumptive habits far before trade agreements did. And the guy they are supporting rode that pony to town and back.

Besides, many of these are the same people that DON'T think working is a right and that people with cruddy jobs should go get a better one since they grow on trees. By their own logic, it's their own fault.

*you aren't disenfranchised because you have a smaller share of the voting population because voting rights have been expanded...no matter what some people like to think

[Denarius]

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they re the ones that supported deregulation, union busting, etc.

No they're not. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...publicans.html

[thalassa]

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If they voted Republican, they absolutely did. http://web.utk.edu/~nkelly/papers/in...y_Preprint.pdf

[ThePaganMafia]

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Interesting, then, that they now support a candidate who is considerably anti-Union and anti-regulation.

[Denarius]

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You don't need to tell me that the Republican party is full of corporatists who don't actually represent the interests of workers. That's what my link was about. That's the point.

considerably anti-Union

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/8/donald-trump-i-have-tremendous-support-within-unio/

and anti-regulation

That is especially ridiculous. http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Free_Trade.htm

[thalassa]

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First of all, free trade isn't free of regulation, closed trade can have less necessity for regulations plural (through the breadth of them is often more sweeping), and regulations exist for far more than trade, period.

Also, my grandma didn't lose her job because it went to China and Mexico, she lost it because people wanted cheap, disposable goods (made by nigh slave labor) over higher quality American-made goods (made by men and women paid a living wage, thanks to unions and worker protections). Also because American bought into the racket of the stock market in unprecedented numbers (which is really just legalized gambling over corporate reputation and worth these days, and not actually an investment in corporate ownership).