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    #8311
    Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

    Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    Gerrymandering on a national scale...
    And it still works that way...I mean, when is the last time we reapportioned house seats between states to adjust for population size changes? Or...added seats? Electoral change means having one standard size for citizens to elected representatives
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      #8312
      Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

      Originally posted by thalassa View Post
      And it still works that way...I mean, when is the last time we reapportioned house seats between states to adjust for population size changes? Or...added seats? Electoral change means having one standard size for citizens to elected representatives
      We re-apportion congressional districts following each U.S. census. Following the (I think) '90 census, Oklahoma lost an elector and a congressional seat due to population loss.
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        #8313
        It's gonna be 39C here today. Hasn't been that hot yet. Interesting to see how i cope. I love it hot. Been a late start to summer.
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          #8314
          46% of people DIDN'T VOTE?!?!?!?!?
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            #8315
            Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

            Originally posted by Heka View Post
            46% of people DIDN'T VOTE?!?!?!?!?
            A significant part of the population is rather apathetic about voting on any given year, especially if the candidates aren't extremely popular. It's why a decent amount of effort is put into get out to vote operations.
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              #8316
              Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

              Originally posted by iris View Post
              Most of the new people I meet these days are international, but I'm on the lookout. Still kid-free?
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                #8317
                Originally posted by MaskedOne View Post

                A significant part of the population is rather apathetic about voting on any given year, especially if the candidates aren't extremely popular. It's why a decent amount of effort is put into get out to vote operations.
                Thats still an absurd percentage. How do Americans feel about compulsory voting? Australia does it.



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                  #8318
                  Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

                  Originally posted by Heka View Post
                  Thats still an absurd percentage. How do Americans feel about compulsory voting? Australia does it.
                  ATM, I'm increasingly in favor of it but this election year has me in a foul mood.
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                  "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

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                    #8319
                    Originally posted by MaskedOne View Post

                    ATM, I'm increasingly in favor of it but this election year has me in a foul mood.
                    What would it take? Like how hard would it be to do? I don't know the history of it here. But have the population giving zero fucks isn't good enough.
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                    Seen the desert and the birds
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                    While it smiled like it was cute
                    That everything was shit.
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                      #8320
                      Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

                      Originally posted by Heka View Post
                      What would it take? Like how hard would it be to do? I don't know the history of it here. But have the population giving zero fucks isn't good enough.
                      I don't know if it's ever been tried but at a guess

                      1) Bypartisan support or a federal supermajority in favor (good luck, both parties benefit when the other side can't motivate its people)
                      2) A clear and valid "I abstain" option at the polls. Compelling people to show up and/or mail in absentee ballots may pass muster but there's liable to a very loud argument in court that First Amendment freedom to speak includes freedom not to speak if you don't include a "no opinion" option of some kind
                      3) A receptive federal court system. If someone gets a compelling case in front of a judge then the whole premise may die.

                      The other option of course is a Constitutional Amendment. The good part of that is that issues 2 and 3 above can take a hike. The bad news is that the whole issue of mustering adequate support....
                      It just went from supremely difficult to requiring active and blatant intervention from heaven for the idea to have a chance.
                      life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.

                      Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

                      "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

                      John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper

                      "You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."

                      Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis


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                        #8321
                        Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

                        This is where good ol' apathy and my nihilism kicks in. I'm not outraged. Not outraged at all. Why? Because this 'new' view of Hell America...has been the same view I've always seen. So it's absolutely no biggy. Your eyes are open now? What, have they been closed all this time?

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                          #8322
                          Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

                          Oh dear. People are protesting his election, and the twit twits that its unfair.

                          LOL - he's in for a very unfair 4 years.
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                            #8323
                            Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

                            Truthfully all this popular vote and getting rid of the electoral college simply reminds me of the text book debate. A couple of places that hold the majority of the population and drive what goes into the text books that are published and sold across the US in the school systems. Usually driven by California and Texas if I recall correctly. Now we have the same argument regarding population super cells again and how having a majority of electoral votes is not enough they should also have majority vote over the rest of the country. When it goes against them screaming about how its wrong, when it goes for them screaming about how it has to stay the way it is. Right now it went against them so its screaming again about how it's all wrong and the popular vote has to be the deciding vote.

                            Wonder if they truly have any idea what the outcome come be if the results were shifted to align with the concentration around the cities? There is a significant difference between riots in the cities and riots in the country side where all the produce and such is grown, transportation hubs and routes, and other functions. Civil unrest in cities is one thing, civil unrest out in the country side is something completely different. Would it come to that? Perhaps, perhaps not but i'm willing to bet a lot of the citizenship of the US would feel betrayed. One reason the electoral college was set up the way it was.
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                              #8324
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                              I think the Man does not understand just what "Fanning the flames" means,even Nixon was smarter than that,all he did was say,"I am not a crook"

                              Yeh,gonna be a long 4 years.
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                                #8325
                                Re: Whatcha thinking about now?

                                I'm not sure I can accept him as a legitimate president until he show his tax returns to proves he's not in Putin's employ.

                                I'm gonna start the Patsy-er movement.

                                Oh, hey, and ya know what?

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                                Last edited by B. de Corbin; 11 Nov 2016, 02:46.
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