Re: "God given right"
^ Don't know why you didn't finish it, but I did demonstrate how you failed to understand it. I explained, linked, and explained some more how inalienable rights didn't exist without social contract theory.
Wrong again.
Again, you're resorting to changing the debate topic (look where you're posting. It's in the debates) and more condescending behavior. I was pointing out your "credentials" are dubious with the farming example. Examples illustrate a point. Such tactics like the one you pulled here are the last ditch efforts of someone who can't support their claims.
The idea of natural rights basically emerged from a thought experiment -- if there was no government of any kind, would a person still have rights? If so, what would they be? My answer is no, there are no natural rights. I am not sure why this bothers you so much, but if it is important to you to change my mind present an argument rather than a personal attack. Tell me why you believe there are natural rights, from whence they come, and possibly what you believe they are.
First of all, I'm attacking your ideas. I support my arguments with discussion points, examples, and counter points to your points. This is proper debating. YOU are the one slinging insults, using condescending remarks, and even condescending names. YOU are the one using ad hominem attacks on me. Now on to the rest of it...
So because it's a thought experiment it can't be legit? Quantum physics does that all the time. Also, it doesn't "bother" me. I'm contesting a point you made in the debate section. It's a debate. I'm contesting your premise for your argument. That's how modern debates work. If that bothers YOU, take responsibility for your argument and premises.
The burden of proof is on you for that one, not me. Act like you're well read and do the work and support your claims. I never claimed expertise. YOU did.
Originally posted by nbdy
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sounds almost like you agree with my opinion.
And we are talking about opinion because it is an abstract subject no matter how much you want to equate it with the concrete. Analogizing "rights" and "farming" ? Really?
The idea of natural rights basically emerged from a thought experiment -- if there was no government of any kind, would a person still have rights? If so, what would they be? My answer is no, there are no natural rights. I am not sure why this bothers you so much, but if it is important to you to change my mind present an argument rather than a personal attack. Tell me why you believe there are natural rights, from whence they come, and possibly what you believe they are.
So because it's a thought experiment it can't be legit? Quantum physics does that all the time. Also, it doesn't "bother" me. I'm contesting a point you made in the debate section. It's a debate. I'm contesting your premise for your argument. That's how modern debates work. If that bothers YOU, take responsibility for your argument and premises.
And I will definitely leave you to read Rousseau on your own time, anyone who claims the expertise you are claiming certainly should have already read him since the title is The Social Contract. In fact, I don't think I want to talk with you further if you can't stop sounding mean. Not seeing a net gain for myself here.
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