migrants:What to do...Europe needs to decide.

[iris]

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More people than that arrived in Munich on Saturday alone. Just saying.

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Plus it's not as densely populated as Germany, which has now upped its top estimate of refugees coming in to a million. Germany could have a MILLION freaking people come into the country by the end of the year (not counting migration from other EU countries, which is still pretty high, BTW). It's time for other countries to step up. 10,000 is sad.

10.000 is pathetic, yes... I'm not aware how many we have agreed to take, but I read somewhere that we had 800 in about 3 days many more just passing through, many of the ones coming in fom Germany are set on going to Sweden... but compare that to the US. Denmark is a country whose entire population would fit snugly in Paris. We will probably need to take a couple of thousands. The us could fit a bit more.

[DanieMarie]

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The U.S has pledged to take in 10,000 refuges. It will be a long process to vet them all though.

More people than that arrived in Munich on Saturday alone. Just saying.

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Why not both. The US is one of the richest - if not THE richest country on the planet. They could help both groups without batting an eyelid if they stopped being so eager to go to war. Iraq was a disgrace. And that was the politicians' faults.

Plus it's not as densely populated as Germany, which has now upped its top estimate of refugees coming in to a million. Germany could have a MILLION freaking people come into the country by the end of the year (not counting migration from other EU countries, which is still pretty high, BTW). It's time for other countries to step up. 10,000 is sad.

[iris]

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The only feasible solution imo, albeit a Bennite one, would be prior background checks and a no-tolerance policy towards troublemakers. I am of the opinion that the Scandinavian nations today are too nice when discussing the Islamist issues that confront them. While individually the zealots and clerics may not represent the religion, they nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the host country, particularly by stirring up dissent and at times even preaching violence or other hateful ideology. It's unfortunate, but it must be dealt with nonetheless.

I do agree that it should be much easier to do something about the ones who are openly making trouble... I hate that they can just stay here because we're all too afraid of being racist to call them out. But background checks will be very difficult and take more resources than we have. I think there is some kind of check when asylum is being reviewed, but we have sern how easy it is to cheat them, everything is approved because of the current situation.

[Cynica the Ageless]

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But really, how would you sort them before allowing them to immigrate? It is, I believe, all but impossible if they have just two working brain cells - they won't be running around with a neon sign going 'I hate you all!'.

The only feasible solution imo, albeit a Bennite one, would be prior background checks and a no-tolerance policy towards troublemakers. I am of the opinion that the Scandinavian nations today are too nice when discussing the Islamist issues that confront them. While individually the zealots and clerics may not represent the religion, they nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the host country, particularly by stirring up dissent and at times even preaching violence or other hateful ideology. It's unfortunate, but it must be dealt with nonetheless.

[iris]

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How many beheadings have occurred in England? How about France? The two jerks that tried that in the USA were shot through the head before they killed anyone.
I am a firm believer that only a small minority of Muslims would do such things but there has to be a way to find out who they are before allowing them to immigrate.

Sorry, but I can't really figure out why you would ask that. I do believe that the answer is 0 within a timeframe that is relevant for discussing immigration.
The people who cause trouble in the name of religion, no matter what religion, don't represent that religion. They represent human idiocy. It would be nice if we could just hand pick the trouble makers (I'd really suggest jail rather than sending them back if they're plannimg to undermine the country. I'm pretty sure that's illegal ), but how would you know them until they do something to attract attention. With the numbers we're getting we can't put them all through a polygraph test. Now, I believe Denmark are too tolerant at times. We have an imam who is known to support IS, and preaching war on the west... but he has a citizenship now so there's nothing we can do. But really, how would you sort them before allowing them to immigrate? It is, I believe, all but impossible if they have just two working brain cells - they won't be running around with a neon sign going 'I hate you all!'.

[ThePaganMafia]

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It is largely ironic, almost hilariously so, that the West is having to now deal with and complain about the large numbers of refugees from a geopolitical situation that it is largely responsible for creating over the last century.

[DragonsFriend]

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How many beheadings have occurred in England? How about France? The two jerks that tried that in the USA were shot through the head before they killed anyone.
I am a firm believer that only a small minority of Muslims would do such things but there has to be a way to find out who they are before allowing them to immigrate.

[callmeclemens]

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Well, I'm sorry but in a country the size of the US that's pretty pathetic. Government are never backward about chucking bombs around and making a mess, they should not be backward about helping people in dire straits.

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There's not a bit of your sentiment I disagree with Mrs. Penry, and I hope that we decide to take in many more. Taking in people who have truly faced such horrendous persecution would surely help the perspective of many Americans.

However right now realistically right now 10,000 is a good number to start with. I've recently been informed that my first deployment in the military may very well be over there taking part in the vetting process. Ultimately the logistics of not only vetting thousands of refuges but creating safe transport and living conditions for them is a more unique challenge then some of our European counter parts. Regardless of how we feel about it, we need to look at the wide spectrum of issues this presents and we need to establish a functional, timely, and safe way to do this.

Until then we need to do more in the way of immediate humanitarian and financial aid, but don't get me started on the side show that is Washington DC.

[monsno_leedra]

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Well, I'm sorry but in a country the size of the US that's pretty pathetic. Government are never backward about chucking bombs around and making a mess, they should not be backward about helping people in dire straits.

Oh I wouldn't even argue that one as I fully agree.

Why not both. The US is one of the richest - if not THE richest country on the planet. They could help both groups without batting an eyelid if they stopped being so eager to go to war. Iraq was a disgrace. And that was the politicians' faults.

I think our own policies and recent history is also contributing to the position. While the number's are low the media and hype still plays up a lot of the immigrant / refugee's that have come into the U.S. and were terrorist. Consider the two brothers with the Boston Bombing or the Sudanese who were involved in the recent ISIS recruiting incidents just off the top of my head. Then the illegal aspect we already have and people are not forgiving or very supportive to other's plights at the moment.

[Tylluan Penry]

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The U.S has pledged to take in 10,000 refuges. It will be a long process to vet them all though.

Well, I'm sorry but in a country the size of the US that's pretty pathetic. Government are never backward about chucking bombs around and making a mess, they should not be backward about helping people in dire straits.

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I know there are a lot in the U.S. who think instead of worrying about 10,000 Syrians for instance we should be worrying about the estimated 50,000 vets we have that are homeless or even our own general homeless population for instance. For many see it not much different regarding quality of life or ability to live period.

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Why not both. The US is one of the richest - if not THE richest country on the planet. They could help both groups without batting an eyelid if they stopped being so eager to go to war. Iraq was a disgrace. And that was the politicians' faults.

[monsno_leedra]

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The thing is, there is a HUGE difference between immigrants and asylum seekers. Above all they are human beings and all this scare-mongering over Muslims is just that - scare mongering by a media with a definite agenda. People are stirring up trouble to avoid facing the fact that this is a humanitarian crisis and we - in my case, the UK, but I think the US needs to be involved too - ought to be doing something.

I know there are a lot in the U.S. who think instead of worrying about 10,000 Syrians for instance we should be worrying about the estimated 50,000 vets we have that are homeless or even our own general homeless population for instance. For many see it not much different regarding quality of life or ability to live period.

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[callmeclemens]

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The thing is, there is a HUGE difference between immigrants and asylum seekers. Above all they are human beings and all this scare-mongering over Muslims is just that - scare mongering by a media with a definite agenda. People are stirring up trouble to avoid facing the fact that this is a humanitarian crisis and we - in my case, the UK, but I think the US needs to be involved too - ought to be doing something.

The U.S has pledged to take in 10,000 refuges. It will be a long process to vet them all though.

[Tylluan Penry]

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I saw an article that said Sweden had to close their borders to Muslim immigration. They are now in the process of deporting Islamic trouble-makers. The new immigrants were trying to change the government into an Islamic state. Those who settled in and became citizens are not a problem but the ones that attempt to invoke Sharia law and commit crimes in the name of Allah are being deported. They are the first western nation to put a zero tolerance law in place where immigration and immigrants are concerned. The level of violence is decreasing but it is still a problem.

The thing is, there is a HUGE difference between immigrants and asylum seekers. Above all they are human beings and all this scare-mongering over Muslims is just that - scare mongering by a media with a definite agenda. People are stirring up trouble to avoid facing the fact that this is a humanitarian crisis and we - in my case, the UK, but I think the US needs to be involved too - ought to be doing something.

[iris]

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I saw an article that said Sweden had to close their borders to Muslim immigration. They are now in the process of deporting Islamic trouble-makers. The new immigrants were trying to change the government into an Islamic state. Those who settled in and became citizens are not a problem but the ones that attempt to invoke Sharia law and commit crimes in the name of Allah are being deported. They are the first western nation to put a zero tolerance law in place where immigration and immigrants are concerned. The level of violence is decreasing but it is still a problem.

I've heard no such thing, and I've got sweden about an hour away by train. From what I hear they're being very tolerant, which is why we're (Denmark) experiencing a lot of people just going through refusing to stay here. We have quite a bad reputation apparently. A lot of the bad stuff you hear is propaganda. The other day there were reports of muslims breaking into cars and beating a pregnant woman on board a ferry from Germany to Denmark, the police had to step in to stop the story as it was BS - the only truth was that someone had in fact hit a pregnant woman, but it wasn't the muslims it was an american tourist. The other day I heard someone say that if you wanna know what's going on in the world you have to go out there because media can't be trusted... I'm starting to agree.

[monsno_leedra]

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I saw an article that said Sweden had to close their borders to Muslim immigration. They are now in the process of deporting Islamic trouble-makers. The new immigrants were trying to change the government into an Islamic state. Those who settled in and became citizens are not a problem but the ones that attempt to invoke Sharia law and commit crimes in the name of Allah are being deported. They are the first western nation to put a zero tolerance law in place where immigration and immigrants are concerned. The level of violence is decreasing but it is still a problem.

I've been reading where Italy is suffering some of the same violence and such from the Muslim immigrants that have come in. Trying to both create Muslim strongholds and cause disruption so they can move on to some other European nation. Recently read a couple of articles that are suggesting the same thing is occurring in some South American countries that accepted large Muslim populations and they to are causing disruptions because things are not being changed to make it easier on them to survive or allow them to move into other "Selected" countries of choice.