migrants:What to do...Europe needs to decide.

[DragonsFriend]

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I saw an article that said Sweden had to close their borders to Muslim immigration. They are now in the process of deporting Islamic trouble-makers. The new immigrants were trying to change the government into an Islamic state. Those who settled in and became citizens are not a problem but the ones that attempt to invoke Sharia law and commit crimes in the name of Allah are being deported. They are the first western nation to put a zero tolerance law in place where immigration and immigrants are concerned. The level of violence is decreasing but it is still a problem.

[DanieMarie]

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Truthfully don't recall if it was Hungary or Greece but it occurred at a rail station and the people were dumping it on the tracks and throwing it away.

I can't help but think that there must be something else behind the story, judging by the experiences of everyone I know who has been working with refugees.

I'd be especially skeptical if it were from Hungary. It has a nationalist right-wing government, limited freedom of press, and has demonstrated a clear hatred of the refugees passing through the country. If the footage was shot by a Hungarian camera crew, you can more or less expect that there is a state agenda there.

[monsno_leedra]

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Honestly though, where is that even happening? I've had several friends volunteer at refugee centres here and not one has said that anything even remotely like that has happened. All they talk about is how grateful everyone is and how heartwarming the experience was. I'll be joining them tomorrow, so I can tell you all first hand after that.

The media can have its own political agenda. In this case, I'd rather rely on the experiences of real people on the front lines of the crisis (or, after tomorrow, my own eyes).

Truthfully don't recall if it was Hungary or Greece but it occurred at a rail station and the people were dumping it on the tracks and throwing it away.

[DanieMarie]

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Perhaps it is fear and bigotry yet perhaps it's also the truth. The number of young males far exceeds the number of women and children that are being reported, especially by the various media services. One things for certain when you see media clips of so called migrants / refugee's throwing away food, water, etc because it's not what they want makes it difficult to see it as anything other than a Trojan horse.

Honestly though, where is that even happening? I've had several friends volunteer at refugee centres here and not one has said that anything even remotely like that has happened. All they talk about is how grateful everyone is and how heartwarming the experience was. I'll be joining them tomorrow, so I can tell you all first hand after that.

The media can have its own political agenda. In this case, I'd rather rely on the experiences of real people on the front lines of the crisis (or, after tomorrow, my own eyes).

[anunitu]

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Heard that about ISIS or what ever their name is now sneaking in with the crowd...

[monsno_leedra]

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There are people saying it's a terrorist "Trojan horse" operation. The bigotry and fear is unbelievable.

Perhaps it is fear and bigotry yet perhaps it's also the truth. The number of young males far exceeds the number of women and children that are being reported, especially by the various media services. One things for certain when you see media clips of so called migrants / refugee's throwing away food, water, etc because it's not what they want makes it difficult to see it as anything other than a Trojan horse.

[Hawkfeathers]

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There are people saying it's a terrorist "Trojan horse" operation. The bigotry and fear is unbelievable.

[anunitu]

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Sad thing is many who are now against taking in Refugees are or their parents were Refugees once from a long ago war. So sad we forget our own roots so soon..

[DanieMarie]

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What's worse in the UK is Cameron's decision to take just a few and even then only for 5 years or until the children are 18. He;'s a pig. It's not what people over here want - we'd like to take more (well, most of us, anyway.)

That's crazy. So if they're young children and they grow up there, they have to leave?

Germany took that position once too and it doesn't work. I think the government has finally realized this and is planning on permanently settling a lot of people here. Or at leas, it's talking as if that's the plan.

[Tylluan Penry]

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What's worse in the UK is Cameron's decision to take just a few and even then only for 5 years or until the children are 18. He;'s a pig. It's not what people over here want - we'd like to take more (well, most of us, anyway.)

[DanieMarie]

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Mainly,in my mind what is needed is an end to the war(s) that has pushed people out of their home country's. That is a royal mess however..and as some have said needs to be addressed by the middle east nations in the effected areas.

Absolutely, but that takes time and even if war ended tomorrow, it wouldn't end the crisis immediately. Many people do not have homes to go back to, instability would be pretty high, and there would still be a massive lack of food and other key resources.

I think people in the New World need to remember that some of their own families were refugees once. I know that my family was. My Oma was a hungry, sick teenager at the close of WWII, and she was granted entry to Switzerland. Many others left Germany, Eastern Europe, France, the Netherlands, and other countries in the former war zone for Canada, the US, and Australia.

[anunitu]

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Mainly,in my mind what is needed is an end to the war(s) that has pushed people out of their home country's. That is a royal mess however..and as some have said needs to be addressed by the middle east nations in the effected areas.

[DanieMarie]

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PS I think this Guardian article offers a fair assessment of the current situation in Germany: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...gees?CMP=fb_gu

[DanieMarie]

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It would seem Germany's open door policy has had to end, A shot across the bows to the other EU member states to start taking more refugees or sanctions may be imposed which will hit the eastern states hardest.

Did Germany massively underestimate the number of people heading their way?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...gency-measures

Yeah I read about that and am really sad to hear it. I guess they had to do it, though. I hope it's short-lived.

No, I don't think they massively underestimated the number of migrants...they said they expected and prepared for up to 800,000 by the year's end. I think what was underestimated was the amount coming all at once, the amount coming into specific cities all at once, and the state's ability to deal with that influx. 13,000 arrived in Munich alone on Sunday. That's a LOT of people for a single day (and it's not like they weren't coming before and stopped coming after). The city ran out of beds, so it's either put up hastily built, shoddy shelters, or have people sleeping in tents as the weather gets colder.

Germany wants to take everyone it can, but obviously, it can't take EVERYONE. The response of other countries has totally disgusted me. The EU came up with a plan to distribute refugees based on each country's economic resources and ability to do so, but some countries have rejected those figures and refuse to take anyone at all (and their numbers were small, in the low thousands...fewer people than came in to Munich last Saturday). The UK is exempt from the deal, but only agreed to take in a pitiful number. Honestly, when it said it would take some, I was hoping for better. Its response is sad, especially considering it is one of the richer countries in the EU. Denmark is even worse. But even worse than the response from within the EU is the response from the rest of the developed world. Canada, the US, and Australia have all had pathetic and wholeheartedly disappointing reactions to this crisis. This is not a European problem....it is a global problem. The rest of the world needs to step up.

[Hawkfeathers]

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I wonder if this will be brought up at the Republican Presidential candidate's debate on Wednesday. This is different than illegal immigration, of course - these are people who need help and are running FROM something. There are too many for any one country to help them all.