Ahmed the Clock Maker

[B. de Corbin]

Re: Ahmed the Clock Maker

Actually I've seen bomb threats come in that do not result in school's being evacuated. Many times it is based upon how creditable the threat is believed to be versus the chaos and potential harm evacuating the school could cause..

In the case of a threat, yes. In a case where they believe they may be looking at a bomb with their very own eyes...?

I'm also sick of the "it must have been racist" cry. I'm writing down names. God forbid there is another school shooting, or bomb placed in a public gathering, but, if it does occur, I'm watching for all those who say "somebody should have done something before this happened" and, if their name is on my list, I'm gonna count coup on them.

People need to be held accountable for the bull they smear on others.

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Wow I wish we lived in your fantasy world.

That's right folks, a white kid name Dan with a homemade clock would have been treated exactly the same in Texas.

I imagine you have some sort of evidence to support this? Or do you just hate Texans?

[monsno_leedra]

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Wow I wish we lived in your fantasy world.

That's right folks, a white kid name Dan with a homemade clock would have been treated exactly the same in Texas.

Well I could be an equal arse and say how many white kids would have made their clock inside a briefcase that closes and locks? Sorry your playing upon a sympathy card that doesn't exist. That and saw quite a few White, Black, Hispanic, Arabs, etc make clocks and used circuit boards and such and brought the to school with no incidents. But suitcase bombs are pretty common as a terrorist type explosive case. Of course in those cases it was pretty common for their parents to bring them in or notify the office that a project was being brought to school so they could get it tagged or something so not to cause issues.

[Medusa]

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They really just need to be watching white boys who listen to Marlin Manzin.

[monsno_leedra]

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In the case of a threat, yes. In a case where they believe they may be looking at a bomb with their very own eyes...?

I'm also sick of the "it must have been racist" cry. I'm writing down names. God forbid there is another school shooting, or bomb placed in a public gathering, but, if it does occur, I'm watching for all those who say "somebody should have done something before this happened" and, if their name is on my list, I'm gonna count coup on them.

People need to be held accountable for the bull they smear on others.

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I imagine you have some sort of evidence to support this? Or do you just hate Texans?

I can think of only one case where they though it a bomb and didn't call or evacuate the school. No explosive identified in the device near as I recall now so they though it could be but didn't fully act as if it was. I suppose basically because of media and such has conditioned us to look for explosives in the form of dynamite, plastics, etc to be included as the final confirmation it is a bomb.

From a school administration perspective though consider the chaos that evacuating the school would cause. Have to inform the parents so you have all sorts of panicked parents arriving to pick up their children. Phones become stressed out and ineffective due to overload. Response personal have difficulty gaining access to the grounds, especially once the place goes on lock down due to some sort of threat and parents hear about it. Not even counting the physical geographical location of the school and what neighbors it and might have to be evacuated as well or at least safety searched.

Yep always easier to cite that implied racist card vice actually trying to discover what actually happened and the why and how of it.

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They really just need to be watching white boys who listen to Marlin Manzin.

Totally off topic but years ago it was the group KISS that people said we needed to be watched because of. You known KISS - Kids in Satan's Service. though for a while I recall it was also Black Sabbath and Ozzy that was corrupting us.

[thalassa]

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The police do not have to have a parent present, or even consent of the parent to be questioned by the police before or after they are taken "into custody". The police take full advantage of minors being minors, even when they do have a parent's permission.


The problem is that while (thanks 14th Amendment) children are supposed to have the same civil rights as adults, those rights require either the adults to do the right thing and respect them, or child to be aware of them and what they are and what them mean and how to ensure that they are respected. That's a lot to ask an adult, much less a child of any age. The only recourse to this is, unfortunately, to sue the pants off them and get some money thanks to the 42 US Code 1983.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

(Section 1 of the 14th Amendment)

Children, effectively have no rights, except those respected by the adults that have them in custody, whether its their parents, the school, or the police.

[thalassa]

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They really just need to be watching white boys who listen to Marlin Manzin.

...most people I've heard comment on this pretty much are like "the only way this would happen to a white kid is if was a goth kid or wore a trench coat"

[Medusa]

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I'll be really honest here. As a woman of color in this country, I'm more suspicious of white affluent douche kids who wear metal shirts on. Lemme give you an example of what I mean.




*just trying to lighten the mood ::

[B. de Corbin]

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...most people I've heard comment on this pretty much are like "the only way this would happen to a white kid is if was a goth kid or wore a trench coat"

I'd have so much more respect for opinions like this IF they were actually based on evidence... Everybody knows it's the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Salvation Army that are most insidiously dangerous...

Maybe there is some truth that the oddballs are more likely to be suspected of evil.

Does that mean A) nobody should be suspected and we take our chances with the lives of children, B) only non-oddballs should be suspected because suspecting odd balls is, ipso facto, prejudiced, C) specific ethinic groups should be exempt from suspicion because suspecting them is, ipso facto, racist, or D) when something looks like it may be dangerous or suspicious, it is investigated, regardless of the ethnicity, individual self-presentation, or appearance of "normality" of the person involved?

Personally, I think it MUST be "D." If the claim is made that it is currently A, B, or C, I ask for evidence of some kind (other than biased assumptions), and then I will want that fixed ASAP.

[Bartmanhomer]

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I just don't understand why many people believe was a bomb. Closed-Minded people Listen, get your facts straight before when you jump the bandwagon thinking it's was a terrorist threat.

[B. de Corbin]

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I'll be really honest here. As a woman of color in this country, I'm more suspicious of white affluent douche kids who wear metal shirts on. Lemme give you an example of what I mean.

*just trying to lighten the mood ::

(who is that? Is that somebody I should know?)

[Medusa]

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(who is that? Is that somebody I should know?)

I hope not. Unless you have a snotty teenage girl in your family.

[B. de Corbin]

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I hope not. Unless you have a snotty teenage girl in your family.

Or class...

[Ula]

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I was under the impression you couldn't question a minor without a legal guardian or attorney.

The fact that instead of evacuating the school, they simply arrested him does not compute with any other "bomb threat" I've heard about, and we recently had several here in TN. This was straight up bigotry. If not for the simple act of thinking it was a bomb, for the fact that the procedures taken were completely different than usual.

Disgusting.

I said they need one not by law have to have one. Funny how minors are restricted in so many ways but when it come to police they are treated like adults.

[faye_cat]

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Actually I've seen bomb threats come in that do not result in school's being evacuated. Many times it is based upon how creditable the threat is believed to be versus the chaos and potential harm evacuating the school could cause.

To be honest though I'm really tired of all the "It has to be racist" inspired. That's the bs line that runs when people act upon something and nothing happens or fail to act and something does happen. It's also a problem with all the armchair specialist who chime in about how it had to be racist because the person is a person of color. Totally ignoring even if he had been White, Indian or such it wouldn't have made the news because it does not cause sensational coverage any more than any black on white, hispanic on white, etc incident that can't be used to cause more racial presumption of wrong.

Let me rephrase now that I'm more awake and have had coffee.

I may have missed something when reading the article, but from my understanding, the clock "beeped"/"made a noise", correct? If the student pulled the clock out and showed it, and the teacher then called the police and had him arrested, there could be an argument for unfair treatment.

The bomb threats here, where the schools were evacuated, were called in via phone, and some said, "There is a man with a bomb on campus." I will allow that I am not knowledgeable about the procedures between that and having a possible bomb in the middle of the classroom. I also have not read/found a timeline of the actual day, from the time the teacher heard the noise and the time the boy was arrested, as well as what happened after he was taken into custody. If anyone can find an accurate source please let me know.

That said, if they DID not follow procedure properly, if they skipped over steps that would normally be taken, or if they rushed things simply because of ethnicity/religion, then yes, it is bigoted.

[anunitu]

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I have an idea the authorities must have assumed the "Bomb" was a very sophisticated explosive,like c4,or another newer one..Dynamite has a certain shape,a pipe bomb also would stand out. Mainly amateur bomb makers would go with a pipe bomb or maybe pressure cooker thing. From the look of the electronics as a clock,it would hardly be used on a crude explosive setup.