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    #151
    Re: attacks on Paris

    One interesting thing I read is right wing neo Nazi groups actually use that argument to DEFEND the Nazi leader,and the argument is so convoluted as to become absolutely crazy,even though they seem sane to themselves..Kind of like talking yourself into believing you are NOT evil,when you know deep down you are.
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      #152
      Re: attacks on Paris

      Originally posted by DanieMarie View Post
      Maybe a bit of both. I think leaders definitely use it as a tool, but there are still a lot of racist people out there. Their racism usually stems from fear and total ignorance, so it's easy to prey upon.
      Absolutely. Some of the rubbish I hear when I'm out and about... it's a wonder I don't get into punch ups. People believe anything they read in the Sun and the Daily Heil...
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        #153
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        Trying to remember the British Nazi that was such a vocal person,and he had a wife as bad as he was.
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          #154
          Re: attacks on Paris

          I missed one of the London 7/7 tube bombings by 24 hours. I also missed an IRA bomb by 24 hours in Birmingham in 1974. Terrorism is often "defeated" by a political solution, but with Islamic extremists I really can't see a political solution being possible. I don't think this a problem the west will ever be able to solve, I just hope that in time the moderate Muslim majority will be able to win the ideological debate. While jihadism is relatively modern, it's also the case that Islamic fundamentalism goes right back to the 7th century.
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            #155
            Re: attacks on Paris

            With all the politics it's easy to forget the victims.
            Here is a tribute:
            Coldplay - Fix You (Live 2012 from Paris)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gvofiXHbUI
            Coldplay - Fix You (Live 2012 from Paris) is taken from the Mylo Xyloto TourColdplay - Fix You is taken from the album X&Y released in 2005See more videos fr...
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            And there is in fact more earth than sea.
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              #156
              Re: attacks on Paris

              Originally posted by anunitu View Post
              Trying to remember the British Nazi that was such a vocal person,and he had a wife as bad as he was.
              Oswald moseley?

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              Originally posted by Porpoise View Post
              I missed one of the London 7/7 tube bombings by 24 hours. I also missed an IRA bomb by 24 hours in Birmingham in 1974. Terrorism is often "defeated" by a political solution, but with Islamic extremists I really can't see a political solution being possible. I don't think this a problem the west will ever be able to solve, I just hope that in time the moderate Muslim majority will be able to win the ideological debate. While jihadism is relatively modern, it's also the case that Islamic fundamentalism goes right back to the 7th century.
              The thing is, that people ALWAYS say terrorism can only be defeated by more bombings and war. In fact these things create more terrorists by giving them a reason to hate us.
              The same has been said in the past about Catholics as well as Muslims!
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                #157
                Re: attacks on Paris

                Originally posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
                The thing is, that people ALWAYS say terrorism can only be defeated by more bombings and war. In fact these things create more terrorists by giving them a reason to hate us.
                Sure, but that wasn't what I was saying, so....?
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                  #158
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                  Originally posted by Porpoise View Post
                  Sure, but that wasn't what I was saying, so....?
                  Er... so the bit about you not seeing that a political solution was possible meant...?
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                    #159
                    Re: attacks on Paris

                    More rubbish?...
                    Refugees-out-of-control

                    I think it would be difficult to fake this, how about you?
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                      #160
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                      Daesh is not a terrorist organization. It's a wannabe state that uses terrorist tactics. Nations die just fine via warfare. The forces currently aligned against Daesh have butchered enough of them over the course of human history. Does this mean that the entire Pandora's box of migraines surrounding Daesh can be solved with bombs alone? No. Hell, short of atomics or other monstrous methodologies, Daesh alone will be surprisingly resilient to air attack. We aren't expecting to end Daesh with bombs. The bombs are there to give an advantage to the many and sundry enemies that Daesh has made for itself by attempting to build a caliphate with rivers of blood. Skipping that point though, there are a variety of political issues that need to be solved in that region to prevent Daesh 2.0 from popping up 20 years from now and bombing runs won't fix the politics. Daesh itself though...

                      A basic feature of nation state is control over a territory of ones own. If all your land is under the control of a hostile nation who is setting and enforcing its laws on your territory then your status as an independent nation is somewhat doubtful. The longer your territory stays under hostile control, the flimsier said status as an independent nation gets.
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                        #161
                        Re: attacks on Paris

                        Originally posted by MaskedOne View Post
                        Skipping that point though, there are a variety of political issues that need to be solved in that region to prevent Daesh 2.0 from popping up 20 years from now and bombing runs won't fix the politics.
                        Sure, but it's very complicated, there are lots of conflicting interests involved. It's not just the western powers, there is also Russia and more local countries, including Saudi Arabia. The problem I see is that Islamic extremism is now quite widespread, there are a lot of groups in Africa for example.
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                          #162
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                          Originally posted by DragonsFriend View Post
                          More rubbish?...
                          Refugees-out-of-control

                          I think it would be difficult to fake this, how about you?
                          It would immensely help your case if you were able to cite a source that isn't considered an absolute joke in the journalistic world and that isn't a blatant propaganda video.

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                            #163
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                            I don't have a case. I know that there are good and bad in every population. I accept that people tend to genuinely want to help the underdog, but that sometimes the best help is to let them live in the life they helped create.
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                              #164
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                              Originally posted by DragonsFriend View Post
                              I don't have a case. I know that there are good and bad in every population. I accept that people tend to genuinely want to help the underdog, but that sometimes the best help is to let them live in the life they helped create.
                              That's cool. But if you need shady websites to convey that, you might not really believe what you are saying. Just saying. Do it without crappy 'evidence'.
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                                #165
                                Re: attacks on Paris

                                Originally posted by DragonsFriend View Post
                                I don't have a case. I know that there are good and bad in every population. I accept that people tend to genuinely want to help the underdog, but that sometimes the best help is to let them live in the life they helped create.
                                The video kept crashing for me, but there were pictures they claimed are from denmark most definitely aren't. The music alone should allert you to how overdramatic it is. Yes, we have a lot of refuees lately. But it's not that bad. Most of them are very peaceful. Denmark has 'trouble' with a VERY SMALL group of muslims openly wanting sharia. The rest roll their eyes at them and move on. The police keeps an eye on them. All very peaceful.
                                But really, don't trust every 'news' story about how terrible the situation is in europe. There's a lot of propaganda out there.
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